How to say no

[Gearmunky]

OK guys/girls, I figured that this would be the best place to find an answer to this question considering we all do the same thing for a living.

I need to know how one says "No" in a proffesional manner without getting on the other guy's bad side or make him mad. I'd prefer not to go into details because of the thought of prying eyes, but this is really eating at me. I feel like I'm starting to get taken advantage of, and want it to end before it gets worse.

Any and all help will be greatly appreciated, Thanks.

 

[Swass]

Hey man, if she's movin' too fast tell her you want to wait until your married.

 

[2000flyer]

No. N - O

Though this probably doesn't apply to your situation, it did remind me of an old NFL film with the coach giving the newbies (uh...I mean rookies) a little piece of advice considering their new wealth in the NFL.

No means no!

Maybe means no!!

Yes means no in the morning!!!

Anyway...good luck with your situation.

2000Flyer

 

[cptsesso]

Come on Munky,

I only asked you to wash and wax my truck and car, rake up my yard, paint the fences and clean up after the dog.

It is what all gear bitc^es are expected to do for their Capt. LOL

 

[C-150ETOPS]

Hmmmm, (Medievel Judge Theodoric of York ponders the dilemma)

Nice way #1: Tell him at hotel at check-in that you bought him an all-day adult film selection on Spectravision right before you tell him "No, ain't nothing gonna happen with us".

Nice way #2: Tell him right before refueling FBO freebie redemption, he'll forgot immediately just like number 1.

Not nice way but profitable: You're in a Gulfstream, seek psyc help about harrasment issues, break down on video during sim ride about pressure, file lawsuit and then own your own Gulfstream, then hire me as a cabin boy so I can repeat the cycle.

Humor aside, good luck.

 

[Dinger]

Please don't take this the wrong way, but unfortuneately it looks like you are pretty replaceable. No offense. I would imagine that someone hires an 800+ hour pilot to pull gear in a G4......as well as all of the other stuff that somebody with more experience would say no to. I hope you are not in one of those "single pilot" G4's where the Captain only wants gear up, flaps up, shut up.

I guess you can either sit it out and gain some more time and maybe a type rating, or you can put your foot down and risk having to find another job.

My suggestion to you is to sit down and simply talk to your employer. Ask him what exactly he expects of you both in and outside of the cockpit. If the answers to your questions are not acceptable to you, start looking for other employment.

I know, I know.........easier said than done. I wish you the best of luck.

 

[Dep676]

Well with out really knowing what you are saying no to. There is only one way to say that I know of and that is NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can't think of any other way to say it.

 

[LegacyIIDriver]

Nein!
NUNKA!
NYET!!

Ask the CE-NO.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

seriously, if you aren't going to give us some details dont expect any useful advice other than to grow a set of balls and speak your mind.

what are you expecting here other than that?

.

 

[ultrarunner]

Hey, I'll ask the obvious question...

The captain want's to bang you, right?

Well, no means no, and I'd tell him that then head over to HR if he persits. And I'd tell him that too.

Very simple.

No job on earth is worth your dignity.

 

[semperfido]

just be diplomatic....if that doesn't work use a bat

 

[Gulfstream 200]

just be diplomatic....if that doesn't work use a bat

she might like the bat.

.

 

[pa56pa]

Lolol!

 

[Rick1128]

Without knowing the situation, it makes it difficult to give good advice. But then again free advice is cheap.

One thing I have noticed on this board and others like it, is a certain negativity. Sometimes you have to say no without saying no. Saying no is easy. Saying we can't do it that way, but we can accomplish what you want this way, is much harder. It seems very few people can do that.

Pick your battles.

 

[bart]

Given your experience level, I would expect that you were hired because you could easily be managed and/or manipulated. You might just find that saying no is a "bet your bar" type of decision. Which is to say, is it important enough to bet your job on? With your experience, unless you have an initial at SimuFlite or FS under your belt, you are extremely replaceable.

That being said, if safety is benig compromised, then look for a way to solve the safety problem without getting into a power struggle with the guy. I would bet that since he has hired someone with such low experience, that he has an ego problem and has a hard time hearing that he might be making bad decisions.

Your best bet with a safety issue would be to lead him to the solution so that it is "his idea". I have found this works very well with ego maniacs. Anyway, best of luck.

 

[Gearmunky]

Thanks, but first of all my sweet virgin @ss is not in jeopardy (Sorry, I borrowed that from Half-Baked)

No more worries my friends, in the mean time I got in touch with an old friend of mine and we discussed it. I actually came out ahead on this one -pardon the pun

I just have a habit of letting things build up and get to the point of combustion, before I decide to act. I know that I'm not an effective communicator in that respect and when it comes time to really say "No" I'm about as mad as a queer with tonsilitis on Valentine's day. And end up with negative results.

As for the replaceable part, I do have all the proper training (FSI initial) and RVSM. I'll be taking the IP course on my next recurrent when I'm scheduled to be typed. This is all fine and dandy, but numbers are what I lack especially PIC, I have time where I acted as PIC, but with no type they're useless outside of the fact that I did it and gained experience. I've been thinking about towing banners or spraying to build PIC time on my days off, but I don't know if it's worth the risk just to become marketable. Otherwise, I'm pretty happy, but as we all know-no job is permanent.

So really how do you say no without ticking anyone off?

 

[English]

An open mode of communication, CONSTANTLY, will prevent these kind of situations in the future.

I can't imagine letting frustrations build to the point you write about. Safety depends on good CRM - the basis of which is good communications. You don't have to be adversarial, but you do need to express your thoughts and feelings.

 

[slowto250]

OK guys/girls, I figured that this would be the best place to find an answer to this question considering we all do the same thing for a living.

I need to know how one says "No" in a proffesional manner without getting on the other guy's bad side or make him mad. I'd prefer not to go into details because of the thought of prying eyes, but this is really eating at me. I feel like I'm starting to get taken advantage of, and want it to end before it gets worse.

Any and all help will be greatly appreciated, Thanks.

Hmmm.....let's see here, 800 hrs TT, pullin' gear in a G4, and can't be specific about how to handle a sexual harassment problem.
Puleeeezzz, even in our time of EEOC enlightenment, did you think you were hired for your engine-out, single generator, circling approach to mins. at night, deft stick and rudder skills ?

Could be, that you and the Cpt. of Air-Force One have something in common.



Both......Bush pilots.

 

[Dinger]

When you say you will be qual'd as IP, you don't mean instructor pilot, do you? I don't imagine that would come in handy anytime soon.

It is good if you get typed, but I am afraid your resume may look a little "top heavy" if you know what I mean. I highly recommend getting some time instructing or flying jumpers or banners. I know for a fact that people doing hiring (both HR homo's and pilots) like to see time as an instructor. It not only shows that you are willing to pay your dues, but also that you've learned a lot since your commercial ride.

 

[TimsKeeper]

Why are you telling this guy to go instruct when he's flying a Gulfstream?

Sit tight, do what you have to and you are golden.

Put your time in and take your abuse (unless if it's causing a safety issue). In a few years you will have perfect times and you'll find the perfect job.

All the "free" advice around here costs people in the long run.