How to Deal With "Peace" Activists

[737 Driver]

Yawn

 

[avbug]

737 driver is a flamebaiter. Does he have no aviation input, or is this the sole extent of what he has to offer?

This is an avaition board, you know.

 

[bart]

I think we are in this until the U.S. gives up economic control in that part of the world, or the entire reservoir of oil in the Middle East goes dry.

So do you advocate surrendering these resources to the extremists that want to destroy us or controlling it ourselves?

I don't care how much it pisses 'em off, I say we exercise control. The Middle East in the long run will be a more stable place with a large US military presence. I would bet that you will see some serious changes in the region over the next 5 years, particularly in Iran, Saudi Arabia and Syria. Will it come with some sacrifice?Yes. Is it in the world's collective long-term best interest? We could debate this, but I strongly believe the answer is yes.

Anyone on this board who thinks oil is not that important ought to seriously examine how they live their lives and make their living. Would you have a job if oil prices doubled or tripled tomorrow? Until you personally cut your consumption by about 40 to 70%, I will not take your position on opposing our Middle East policy seriously.

 

[Mogus]

This is an avaition board, you know.

Oh give me a break. People talk about whatever the hell they wanna talk about here; it's not aviation-specific.

 

[BornAgainPagan]

737 Driver,

There is a big difference between one on one self-defense and QUESTIONABLE wars. There is absolutely zero applicability in your far reaching analogy.

That wasn't even a good try.

Way to go Avbug!

 

[MarineGrunt]

This is an avaition board, you know.

One wouldn't think so with all the religion, politics and other flaming that goes on around here. I understand people have their strong opinions, and so do I. (I'm not directing this at you Avbug) But I don't waste my time trying to influence them on others. This forum is great when there are several good aviation topics going on, but lately I've noticed that things are going down the toilet.

Yes, this is a "General" forum, so it's open to a wide variety of topics, but I think it's healthy for this website to keep things on the "aviation related" track. I dont think there is room here for "Bible thumpers that must save you from the dark side" or those who are overly intolerant of those who have religious beliefs. There are plenty of other boards out there for those topics as well as politics. So please, take this stuff to either www.freerepublic.com or www.democraticunderground.com.

Spank you.

Grunt out.

 

[Timebuilder]

This is an avaition board, you know.

Actually, the board is Aviation Communications.


The "communicating" is done by aviators.

Aviators communicate about a wide range of topics. That's why you see the threads you see.

Think politics isn't important to your career, your life, or your freedom?

Get a grip, my friends.

Do you think the current court system of justices has your basic American (according to the founders, "God given") freedoms at heart?

Think again.

If your motto has ever been "kill 'em all, and let God sort 'em out" then you need to hear something about that being. I have never beaten anyone about the head, and frankly, "thumping" a Bible is bad for its binding. If, however, you demonstrate a contempt, a lack of understanding, or a good faith interest in certain topics, I will be happy to volunteer as much time as it takes for you to get the facts straight. Not according to ME, but according to Him.

Otherwise, you can happily click away, seaching valiantly for the latest RJDC or PFT thread.

And I'll see you there.

 

[Timebuilder]

There is a big difference between one on one self-defense and QUESTIONABLE wars. There is absolutely zero applicability in your far reaching analogy.

That is your opinion. Because we have fought wars in the past, you have the freedom to express that opinion. I encourage you to continue to consider these ideas.

Interesting, isn't it?

The analogy as stated is actually a good one. It demonstrates the difference between having a "conviction" about a situation that has no direct impact on you, and how your view can change very quickly once you become involved intimately.

In the analogy, the direct and "intimate" involvement is the punches in the nose. The effect of this analogy is twofold: one, it demonstrates the difference between a feel-good idea like pacifism and the reality of the world we live in, and two, it demonstrates that we must often come to grips with the dichotomy between our desires for a peaceful world and the current conditions and the required responses to those conditions.

The terrorists could have decided against attacking us, and had long and peaceful lives. They decided to follow a different path. Now that they have dictated the initial phase of this conflict, it is up to us to either roll over and play dead, lowering our guard in the name of "civil liberties", of which we will have none if we are destroyed, or to dictate the course that will be taken from this point forward. Already, an old enemy, having seen our resolve, has decided to disarm and sit at the grownups' table.

Freedom will never fail as long as we never fail freedom.

 

[THE Flying Ace]

737, i got the joke! Good one


For the flamers, simma-da-na

 

[100LL... Again!]

Some people are really touchy, huh?

One person near the beginning of this post has his satire-detection equipment off (if it was ever installed).

Emotional reactions betray a poorly formed viewpoint. Much as cussin' does.

737 makes a great point.

 

[737 Driver]

AvBug, have you never used these boards before? We used to call them BBS's back in my day 70's and 80's. It is a "bulletin board system". We said they was more "BS" than BBS. Why would 'someone' take someone elses, here is the kicker, OPINION so personal? I don't really care, (is it obvious?) what someone elses OPINION is. I don't know why so many people take life too serious.
If you want me to chime in on somthing aviation related, I will. There are so many "experts" that seem to know so much more. What's the point in getting jumped by somebody that has had too much coffee and not enough fiber in there diet?

 

[Astra Guy]

Short answer to the original post is "Because we can..and we need to train somehow." Oh..I didn't see California..I thought you were talking about Gwinett County....never mind.

 

[avbug]

You had regular internet access on bulletin boards in the 1970's? We were still using punch cards. You must have really been on the cutting edge.

Have I been here long? Longer than you, kiddo.

You have an opinion, I have a right to one, too. Your opinion is that you should punch folks like me in the face. Mine is that you should try. See? Everybody is happy. Everybody is smiling. The world is filled with roses.

Roses that I will happily pile on your toothless smiling body under a full flying flag that grants me that chance.

Incidentally, I don't drink coffee, and I get adequate fibre from eating folks who trample my freedom, for breakfast.

What time would you care to eat?

 

[Timebuilder]

Hmm.

Have we entirely lost the point of this story?

 

[secks]

I believe your heart is probably in the right place, but try that with me. Seriously. Give it a shot. Pop someone who really can put you on the ground and hurt you badly, or kill you. You even get the first shot free, because I want you to have something good to remember, before you're done.

Haha. Oh man, this is hilarious stuff. You gotta love these idle internet threats. "Try it on me, and you'll be sorry". Yeah. I'll bet your dad can beat up his dad, too. You totally missed the point of the original post. The beef is with peacenicks who never resort to violence, even in self-defence. I think you've already proven that you're quite anxious to resort to imaginary violence, so you shouldn't take offense.

 

[rettofly]

You had regular internet access on bulletin boards in the 1970's? We were still using punch cards. You must have really been on the cutting edge.

Must be tight with Algore.

 

[bart]

I am with Avbug.

I believe in peace.

If you don't like it, I will beat you to a bloody pulp.

Then I'll take your wallet and go buy breakfast with your money.

 

[Typhoon1244]

You know, something just occured to me: this is a nation of polar opposites. Republicans and Democrats. Liberals and Conservatives. Commies and Fascists. Pro-choice and pro-life. Faithful and secular.

So we have peace activists and peace rallies.

How come we don't have war activists and war rallies?

People walking around with foam-rubber Tomahawks (BGM-109's, not hatchets) on their heads and banners saying "NUKE THE BASTARDS." A thousand people linking arms and singing "Napalm Sticks to Kids." It's be like a pep rally before the big game. Have the cheerleaders hold up a big paper U.S. flag banner in the middle of the field, then have the whole 101'st AB Div. come running through it. The Marine Band could play the fight songs. Saddam, Osama, and Kim burned in effigy.

It might be kind of refreshing, actually.


(By the way, just to make it official, count me in as someone who prefers peace but sees combat as occasionally necessary.)

 

[Simon Says]

Buddhists? What the hell did we do to you?


Without excpetion, I have NEVER seen a Liberal here on these boards start with the name calling ... it's always the right-wingers.



... what have you done to earn the right to even have a G0dd@mn opinion you spineless phuk?

(Yes ... I started the name-calling this time.)

Um.....Avbug actually started the name calling with "Dickhead"

I am always up for a little scrap, Avbug, you wanna go? The only thing is my wife gets pissed so we would have to do it without her knowledge.

Snakum, speaking of name calling. Didnt you used to have a porn link as your home page. Pervurt.

Good post 737 Driver.

 

[bart]

How come we don't have war activists and war rallies?

Because then I would have to punch you in the nose...

Just a JOKE... I would actually bring the beer.

That would be fun, just to see who attends and what they bring. I have a mockup of a GE Minigun (like the former Minnesota Governor used in Predator) that I would bring.

What would you bring?

 

[Snakum]

Didnt you used to have a porn link as your home page.

Uhhh ... no. Never had a homepage listed here or anywhere. Sorry.

And about that 'pervert' remark ... whatever your mother told you about me probably isn't true. But it should be ....

Minh

 

[FL000]

Snakum, speaking of name calling. Didnt you used to have a porn link as your home page.

I believe that was jetsnake...uhhhh...from what I was told.

 

[avbug]

How come we don't have war activists and war rallies?

We do. Where have you been?

I went to one once. About half-way through, a hockey game broke out. Very disappointing.

 

[Typhoon1244]

I went to one once. About half-way through, a hockey game broke out. Very disappointing.

Heh heh.

 

[Simon Says]

I believe that was jetsnake...uhhhh...from what I was told.

ohhh ya that was Jetsnake. Sorry Steak-um ....er.... I mean Snakum. Your no pervert, at least that is what my mom says.

 

[de Pez]

With few exceptions, I would love to be the guy sitting next to the majority of the opinionated, overzealous, misanthropes on this thread in a job interview...(i.e. your competition). You've lost focus, in many cases you're debating semantics, not real issues...Peace, Love, War...that's philosophy...threatening others with physical harm, that's an ego weakness..those with true power don't stoop to threatening others via e-mail..

 

[avbug]

Ah, well. You see, therein lies the problem. None of these folks are here to actually threaten in person.

We do what we can.

 

[bart]

those with true power don't stoop to threatening others via e-mail..

Instead they call people names, right?

opinionated, overzealous, misanthropes

Most of us are just having a little fun. Don't bother to interview here, your lack of a sense of humor would make you miserable in my office.

 

[de Pez]

bart-

It's interesting that you think that I was referencing you and your "office"....

Regardless, you're right, after your outburst, I imagine that I would be miserable in your office, as well as everyone else sitting in the cubicles around you...

 

[Typhoon1244]

Uh, de Pez, bart's outburst was not genuine anger. We're having fun here...well, most of us are.

Go look up "sarcasm" and "irony," then come back.