How to Deal With "Peace" Activists

[737 Driver]

The 8 Rules of Etiquette on How to Deal With "Peace" Activists

With the advent of the World Trade Center disaster and the ensuing military actions against terrorism, many of us will encounter "Peace" activists who will try and convince us that we must refrain from retaliating against the ones who terrorized us all on September 11, 2001.

These activists may be alone or in gatherings...most of us don't know how to react to them.

When you come upon one of these people, or one of their rallies, here are the proper rules of etiquette:

1. Listen politely while this person explains their views. Strike up a
conversation if necessary and look very interested in their ideas. They will tell you how revenge is immoral, and that by attacking the people who did this to us, we will only bring on more violence. They will probably use many arguments, ranging from political, to religious, to humanitarian.

2. In the middle of their remarks, without any warning, punch them in the nose.

3. When the person gets up off of the ground, they will be very angry and they may try to hit you, so be careful.

4. Very quickly and calmly remind the person that violence only brings about more violence and remind them of their stand on this matter. Tell them if they are really committed to a nonviolent approach to undeserved attacks, they will turn the other cheek and negotiate a solution. Tell them they must lead by example if they really believe what they are saying.

5. Most of them will think for a moment and then agree that you are correct.

6. As soon as they do that - hit them again. Only this time hit them much harder, square in the nose.

7. Repeat steps 2-5 until the desired results are obtained and the idiot/s realize/s how stupid of an argument he/she is making.

8. There is no difference in an individual attacking an unsuspecting
victims or a group of terrorists attacking a nation of people. It is totally unacceptable and must be dealt with. Perhaps at a high cost.

We owe our military a huge debt for what they are doing for us and our children. We must support them and our leaders at times like these.

As a Nation, we have no choice. We either strike back, VERY HARD, or we will keep getting hit in the nose.

 

[avbug]

Dickhead,

I believe your heart is probably in the right place, but try that with me. Seriously. Give it a shot. Pop someone who really can put you on the ground and hurt you badly, or kill you. You even get the first shot free, because I want you to have something good to remember, before you're done.

You see, dickhead, I am for peace. I have served my country. I have risked my life. Like most citizens, I'm keenly aware that freedom is not free. But the most precious freedom I enjoy is that of peace, and the ability to make peace, and enjoy peace.

I support our troops; every man and woman, and each spouse and child and partent. I support them. Each is faced with paying a terrible price for the honor and privilege of their service, yet each does so with distinction, hopefully with pride, and I pray with the backing of every honest citizen behind them.

War and conflict is sometimes, all too often, necessary. Often it is necessary to bring peace. Peace often comes only at the tip of a sword. But much like orgasm or the calm after a storm, or the rest after childbirth...it's well worth the fight. Peace is the goal, the ideal, the object. Peace is the center of who we are and what we're worth.

I am a peace activist. I ralley for peace. I support those who do. That does not mean that I do not support each soldier who does the duty over which he or she has no control, but who does it with honor. I do. It does NOT mean I support each mealy-mouthed, slime sucking, pinheaded, knot-eared, two-bit, four-flushing, dirty, rotten, low-down, indiscriminate, clodhopping, pusnutted politician, or their policies.

So if you wanna hit someone, take a poke at me. Depending on your enthusiasm when you try, it may be the last thing you do in this lifetime. But if you really want to play, give it a shot. I dare you.

Peace is NOT weakness.

 

[737 Driver]

AvBooger,

1: What is the opposite of above me?

2: You really are a sad, sad "man". You have so much anger inside you. Why don't you go beat up some little ol' lady that has different views than you?

3: It is what "us" on the, "tired of all you bleeding hearts" call a joke.

Lighten up Francis

 

[Mogus]

avbug, that was uncalled for. 737 Driver was referring to the dickheads who think war is NEVER necessary. You are a different kind of peace activist, a logical and mainstream one. I think 737 did a worthy job of revealing the irrational thought processes of these deranged lunatics.

 

[350DRIVER]

737Driver,

You are absolutely hysterical.. I hope you try what you have stated.

what a joke-


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[MarineGrunt]

I love you guys!

 

[datafox]

>avbug, that was uncalled for. 737 Driver was referring to the >dickheads who think war is NEVER necessary. You are a >different kind of peace activist, a logical and mainstream one. I >think 737 did a worthy job of revealing the irrational thought >processes of these deranged lunatics.

Yeah, you really got to be careful of all those "deranged lunatics" these days. You never know what those **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** catholics or buddhists are going to do these days...crazy freaks.

Give me a break.

 

[bart]

Jeez Avbug, bad day, huh?

You wouldn't pass for a peace activist, not with that tirade.

I think you made 737s point for him.

Screw around with the wrong people and you gonna' get hurt.

And... always initiate the ambush with your deadliest weapon.

 

[empenage]

You know..

Everyone is entitled to have a bad day now and then. I had a bad day dealing with Jeppesen today.

Tomorrow I'll have to call and make ammends. I just hope my blood pressure has gone down by then.

 

[Timebuilder]

Peace is NOT weakness.

No, peace is not a weakness, but it is not attainable by humans. Only a false sense of "peace" is possible.

Avbug gave some good examples of the kind of peace we can have:

But much like orgasm or the calm after a storm, or the rest after childbirth...it's well worth the fight.

Unfortunately, the kind of "peace" that is the subject of the original post, the kind the protesters want, is the sole province of a being that most of them don't even regard as being "real."

At the risk of starting a thread that will pi$$ off some friends here, here is a passage about "war": Matthew 24:6, in context-

"5 For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9 Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved."

About "peace", we have 1 Thessalonians, 5-

1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.

So while peace is a worthy goal for all of us, the peace that is recommended by the protesters is the same kind of peace that would have let Hitler run amok, Osama Bin Laden to continue to plot unmolested, and Sadaam Hussein to continue to slaughter thousands without a care.

That kind of "peace" is the kind that is imposed by someone more powerful than any of the combatants.

And we won't have that kind of peace for a while, yet.

 

[Capt. Tex]

The 8 Rules of Etiquette on How to Deal With "Peace" Activists

Seemes that 737 was pretty sincere to me. I think avbug did the right thing putting him in his place.

 

[RightPedal]

Well put there Timebuilder......

 

[Snakum]

You never know what those **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** catholics or buddhists are going to do these days...crazy freaks.

Buddhists? What the hell did we do to you?


737 ...

I'm with Avbug. I'm a peace activist ... and I'd like to see anyone try that approach with me. There's at least two people here on the boards who know me personally who will tell you that you'd have to be a little nuts, or impossibly tough, to do so.

Being a Peace Activist doesn't mean being a pu$$y. You guys seem to believe that Activism is akin to being unpatriotic, and you're always on the attack against (usually quite ill-mannered too BTW) those who disagree with you. Without excpetion, I have NEVER seen a Liberal here on these boards start with the name calling ... it's always the right-wingers.

Here's a clue dummy (I started it this time) ...

I served my country proudly, even bled and shed blood for her, and I think the war in Iraq was a fiasco that we'll regret for years. Not Afghanistan ... but Iraq definitely was. It was a foolish move and I myself wave signs when the opportunity arises. I fought to preserve the rights of citizens to protest stupid policies ....

... what have you done to earn the right to even have a G0dd@mn opinion you spineless phuk?

(Yes ... I started the name-calling this time.)

Minh

 

[350DRIVER]

I'm with Avbug ... I'm a peace activist ... and I'd like to see anyone try that approach with me. There's at least two people here on the boards who know me personally who will tell you that you'd have to be a little nuts, or impossibly tough, to do so.

AMEN- I am with ya Snakum


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[Timebuilder]

I have NEVER seen a Liberal here on these boards start with the name calling ... it's always the right-wingers.

Ah. You don't see some of the posts I see from time to time.

I think that snakum, avbug, and most of the rest of us would rise to the occaision given the proper situation. I tried to join the reserves just three years ago, in fact. I guess they prefer youth to life expereince. No reason I could see that would keep me from flying a C130 into Bagdad with a little schooling on the aircraft, but they tell me that the main sticking point is that past a certain time you don't have sufficient years left to qualify for the pension.

The best peace that humans can hope to achieve is when both sides in a conflict don't see any gain in continuing. Terrorists don't think that way, so we will be pushing back against their efforts for some time to come.

Lastly, I don't think that 737 was generalizing that all interest in peace was sissified in some way, but I have to agree that in the situation he described, it would be very difficult if not impossible to stick with the pacifist ideology under those circumstances. It's easy to say that the war is wrong if you are not being tortured in an Iraqi jail under the Sadaam regieme.

 

[CrewDawg]

This all reminds me of an something that happened to me back when war on terror began. Being that I attended one of the most liberal college's in the world (4 dead in Ohio, that should be enough to guess that one) we have to deal with all kinds of activism. There were many sit-in's, hunger strikes and various rallies all over campus. It went as far as having to close down main street for a day. All of which I can handle, but what I couldn't handle was walking back from class watching a girl dragging an American flag on the ground while numerous people stomped on it. Filling with rage, and wanting to yell at this girl and do the very things that 737 said to do, I began to think she has every right to do this, and I keep on walking. I go in my room for a while and then head off to another class. As I step out my door I see that very same girl trying to light that American Flag on fire. So I walk over and question her as to just what the FU** she thought she was doing. We go back and fourth for a while, And then she began talking about how our soldiers are all bad people and baby killer's, that's when it all got blurry and I lost all the self control I had left. Needless to say I had the last word and left all of those hippie's at a loss for words.

As a soldier myself I wish for peace just as much as the next person, but I also believe that some times we must have war to ensure peace for our future generations. What if our grandfather's hadn't answered the call and fought Hitler and the Japanese in WWII. What if they had said no...this isn't right we must have peace; there must be a better way. You have your pick; we'd either be speaking German or Japanese. This is a new war and a very uncertain one but it's a war that must be won, for the sake of our children and grandchildren.

Sorry I got a little side tracked there, but what I was getting to is that I believe that the kind of people 737 was referring to are the people like the flag burner at Kent, not people like avbug and myself who wish for peace but do stand behind our fellow soldiers



737,
Listen to what they have to say, build your case and when they are done make sure they listen to what you have to say. Everyone has the right to his or her own opinion. Do not resort to violence, this just and fuel to their fire.

 

[MarineGrunt]

CrewDog - You showed a helluva lot more restraint than I would have.

 

[CrewDawg]

I guess I had to, a week before that a kid in a similar situation didn't have any restraint and ended up getting booted from the school for a semester, and that bit** just wasn't worth it.

 

[FL000]

I think you made 737s point for him.

Screw around with the wrong people and you gonna' get hurt.

Bingo. We have a winner!

 

[Snakum]

what I couldn't handle was walking back from class watching a girl dragging an American flag on the ground while numerous people stomped on it.

I'd have to say that peaceful, law-abiding protest by plain old tax-paying Americans is a different animal from what is described here.

I (and many others here) paid for their right to drag it, burn it, and stomp on it, I guess. But to be honest ... I don't know how peaceful I'd feel if I actually saw it happen ... even I have my limits.

Minh "Centrist" Thong