How proud are GJ pilots?

[h25b]

Great. Shovel poo. Whatever keeps you happy man. But if a person can't take pride in what they are doing then why keep doing it. These guys seemed to lack that pride.

A reasonable person can take pride in any occupation, but it shouldn't even come close to rising to a level of importance such that without it they couldn't "keep going." The simple fact that you are able to provide for yourself and those that are important to you (or in my case more important to me than my own well-being) should be satisfaction enough to simply "keep you going."

So if you have dress up as an airline pilot and stroll the terminals while proudly displaying your commuter pilot ID for the whole world to view just to fill the void that should be filled by life's more important aspirations, great, whatever "keeps you going" man...

 

[SkyBoy1981]

This thread hasn't died yet?

 

[TSA145]

A reasonable person can take pride in any occupation, but it shouldn't even come close to rising to a level of importance such that without it they couldn't "keep going." The simple fact that you are able to provide for yourself and those that are important to you (or in my case more important to me than my own well-being) should be satisfaction enough to simply "keep you going."

So if you have dress up as an airline pilot and stroll the terminals while proudly displaying your commuter pilot ID for the whole world to view just to fill the void that should be filled by life's more important aspirations, great, whatever "keeps you going" man...

You can't take pride on what you do (pilot)? Whether it's doing the best you can in the cockpit or dressing up neatly like the professional you are or whatever it may be? That is not rising the level of importance it's part of being a professional, whether you fly a 1900 or a 744. Or do you show up at your local FBO wait for your pax looking like crap so that you don't raise your level of importance?.... (Oh yeah....I will be proudly displaying my "commuter pilot" ID)...I'm sorry Space Shuttle Pilot....

 

[h25b]

You can't take pride on what you do (pilot)? Whether it's doing the best you can in the cockpit or dressing up neatly like the professional you are or whatever it may be? That is not rising the level of importance it's part of being a professional, whether you fly a 1900 or a 744. Or do you show up at your local FBO wait for your pax looking like crap so that you don't raise your level of importance?.... (Oh yeah....I will be proudly displaying my "commuter pilot" ID)...I'm sorry Space Shuttle Pilot....

Maybe oh wise one you could point out where I said that one can't be proud of what they do ? Your post has absolutely nothing to do with my arguement. I never said I don't take pride in what I do nor did I say anything about professionalism. I simply stated (in so many words) it is ridiculous to say that one's pride in their professional is the only thing that keeps them going. Trying to spin my words doesn't make this guy look any more bright, sorry...

And for the record, I have been one of the strongest advocates of tight dress codes at all of the flight departments I have worked for. Heck, I even asked an F.O. to tuck his shirt in the other day...

 

[Resocha]

You can't take pride on what you do (pilot)? Whether it's doing the best you can in the cockpit or dressing up neatly like the professional you are or whatever it may be? That is not rising the level of importance it's part of being a professional, whether you fly a 1900 or a 744. Or do you show up at your local FBO wait for your pax looking like crap so that you don't raise your level of importance?.... (Oh yeah....I will be proudly displaying my "commuter pilot" ID)...I'm sorry Space Shuttle Pilot....

I take pride in watching Asian porn at FL380 over the Pacific on my laptop.

 

[Fishpaw]

Originally posted by h25b
A reasonable person can take pride in any occupation, but it shouldn't even come close to rising to a level of importance such that without it they couldn't "keep going." The simple fact that you are able to provide for yourself and those that are important to you (or in my case more important to me than my own well-being) should be satisfaction enough to simply "keep you going."

So if you have dress up as an airline pilot and stroll the terminals while proudly displaying your commuter pilot ID for the whole world to view just to fill the void that should be filled by life's more important aspirations, great, whatever "keeps you going" man...

Yeah, I guess you're right, what I said was pretty lame. I suppose if I had said, "Sometimes taking pride in the job I'm doing is the only thing that keeps me going during a hard day of work", then you wouldn't have gotten so worked up about this... Its just that, if I don't put on my uniform and go to the airport to shake hands with passengers on my day off, then the only thing I have to do at home is sort my trading cards of my favorite airline captains.

 

[Fishpaw]

originally posted by h25b
If shoveling fecal matter would better help get my kids through college and on their way to being well-adjusted, contributing members of society.... Then a poo shoveler I shall be.
The simple fact that you are able to provide for yourself and those that are important to you (or in my case more important to me than my own well-being) should be satisfaction enough to simply "keep you going."

You sure post on flightinfo alot don't you h25b? But I guess that's not for your "own well-being". Your kids must be getting alot closer to getting "through college on their way to being well-adjusted, contributing members of society". Looks like about 1,300 times closer with all of the extra time you put in on flightinfo.

 

[hoover]

If you want to talk about "stolen flying" then all of you GJ and TSA guys are scabs because the flying originally belonged to Air Wisconsin. Of course it really belongs to United Airlines, and they contracted with GJ because they offered the best deal.

The pilots who work for GJ are just that: Pilots who work for GJ. In other words, employees. They had no more to do with the "stealing" of the flying than TSA pilots, or Flight Attendants or rampers or whoever. Ultimate it was decison made by Hulas and his management team. So you really ought to take it up with him.

As far as these guys hiding their ID's goes, well what the fukc do you expect? You treat them like $hit and then act surprised when they chose not to identify themselves?

Ok I can understand your beef with the TSA guys who crossed over, but the rest of them are just ordinary guys who took advantage of an opportunity. Only ALPA's attempt to seize the moral high ground has made it a "sin" to work at GJ.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I take pride in watching Asian porn at FL380 over the Pacific on my laptop.

You sir, are my HERO!
PBR

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

That I actually don't agree with since they used to hire 200 hr guys at United back in the day. Unless it's the cycle of availability you're talking about.

Not sure exactly what "the day" was, but if you are referring to back in the 60's? In the mid to late 60's you could be hired at a Major with fairly low time (1200 TT and 500multi was the lowest I have ever heard from a pilot and he was hired in 66) You must remember that back "in the day" as you said, they were being hired at a Major to fly DC-3's, Nord 262's, Convairs, Martins< etc....... In other words, Regional sized turboprops. Remember this is before anybody heard the term "feeder" "Commuter" or "regional"

I know the internet has circulated all kinds of wild stories about low timers at UAL and any number of other airlines. After 4 different 121 carriers, I can assure you that other than the occasional minority or family of the CP type of stuff that has not been the case in a very long time, and never(I'll add almost never, cause you never know!!) straight to a jet. (Unless you live in Europe!!)

You have to remember that the Majors operated Dash-8 Sized Turboprops through the late seventies, and some even into the 80's (YS-11 at Piedmont for one)

Straight from a barely certified CFI to a jet is something that is completely new for this century. Only 10 years or so ago 1993-98 the bare minimums to be considered for a turboprop job on a 1900 or Dash-8 was 2000 TT and 500 Multi, with 1000 multi or better to really have a shot at getting an interview. I came through with that group of folks, After firing out resumes for a year, I finally got my first calls for interviews starting at 2200TT and 1200 Multi PIC. Then it was fast and furious. Every single pilot I knew at the time ran on the same schedule, nothing till 2000 TT then he/she started to get calls......does not really speak much of the 200 hour UAL F/O does it? I would say that maybe a few like that in the late seventies to very early 80's, with a possible few during the UAL strike of 85 (hired as strike breakers)

That is why I have to laugh at some of the posts I see here from time to time when an 800 hour guy is crying about why he cannot get an interview to fly a jet!!