How much trouble?

[F16fixer]

What kind of FAA enforcement actions would someone receive if they were caught flying IFR when they were only VFR certified. >1200hrs (part 135 freight/pax)
60 day suspension? $1,000 fine?

Any clues out there as to where to look this info up?

Thanks

 

[F2btch]

2 words.... Nasa Form

 

[Morettis]

It's probably pretty hefty. Against you and the company you work for. In addition to the hour requirement, you need a 135 IFR checkride in that aircraft.

 

[Morettis]

I doubt a NASA form would protect you from that. I'm sure they would say it wasn't an accident and you knowingly broke an FAR.

 

[F16fixer]

I've been staying legal. That's why I haven't worked for two weeks because of IFR conditions. Its just that every now and then my boss gets a little pushy. I would just like to have a few numbers to throw back at them for my defense.

 

[motojet]

I knew a guy once, just over 500 hours and flying cancelled checks for a 135 outfit. Flew in all kinds of wx. Never logged it as actual of course. One day the POI got suspicious, checked the records for that week. Saw that he flew into a certain airport that was definately IFR all day. Got his license revoked, not suspended, revoked. Not sure but I believe they hung him for falsifying documents. But I am sure that he had his stuff revoked.

 

[Junkflyer]

Is it worth them pulling your tickets? Don't get sucked into that, no job is better than no license.

 

[F16fixer]

Thanks for the story. What is a POI?

I knew a guy once, just over 500 hours and flying cancelled checks for a 135 outfit. Flew in all kinds of wx. Never logged it as actual of course. One day the POI got suspicious, checked the records for that week. Saw that he flew into a certain airport that was definately IFR all day. Got his license revoked, not suspended, revoked. Not sure but I believe they hung him for falsifying documents. But I am sure that he had his stuff revoked.

 

[motojet]

Believe it stands for Principal Operations Inspector. Thats a person from the FAA that is in charge of inspecting a company.

 

[F16fixer]

Thanks,

Believe it stands for Principal Operations Inspector. Thats a person from the FAA that is in charge of inspecting a company.

 

[kevdog]

This sounds like something that could come back and haunt you a few years down the road if the FAA does an audit on the company. Don't do it, it's not worth it for any money and I am sure you aren't even making much at the company anyway.

Maybe the best thing to tell them is to fly you all the time so you can get your IFR mins and then be legal, and in return you will fly as much as they want then.

 

[kevdog]

Might be a good idea to find the POI of the company and have a chat with him about what would happen to you if you were caught.

 

[AirMugsy]

Its just that every now and then my boss gets a little pushy. I would just like to have a few numbers to throw back at them for my defense.

Dude, you dont wanna stick around a place like that. You don't have to defend yourself to your boss by showing him possible consequences. Tell him to go fly instead and quit if he bitches.

 

[cvtplt]

Just bump up your log book to IFR mins and.................

 

[cvtplt]

just kidding

 

[DrProc]

I remember seeing a list somewhere recently of typical FAA punishments, and as said before they would probably revoke your certificates. Unintentional stuff, like altitude and course deviations and runway incursions would get you a 60 day suspension. While blatant operations almost always ended up in revokation for the pilot, and in this type of operation almost no punishment for the company. It seems the feds find it easier to bust the pilot than to try to find the evidence to go after the company, since all the evidence is usually hearsay.

 

[kevdog]

Just bump up your log book to IFR mins and.................

that has never happend in the history of aviation, lol.

 

[Hung Start]

If you just got caught into IFR, probably start at 90 days, negotiated down to 60 days or so. If you took off and did a whole flight, a revocation.
The company fines START at $5,000.00 and move upwards,,rapidly. And the company can't get out of it, since we all accepted "operational" control. So in essence, the company dispatched you into those conditions.
Remind the boss.

 

[F16fixer]

Thanks for all the good advice.
It's all been a big help in reminding me not to even think of doing something stupid and risking my tickets.

 

[pilotyip]

Have you caught yet? if not quit the company when you read this message, if you have already been caught, you are most likely toast, get an atty., there is no excuse for knowing and in advance breaking a reg. It is premeditated, like first-degree murder.