how long till Q400 tail strike at colgan?

[vectorvictor]

4-way

fair contract

 

[Crizz]

Didnt ________ already happen?

 

[akseiner]

The only time flaps 15 are permitted at QX is when a captain is shooting a CAT III, fwiw.

I've heard that at one q400 operator a flap 15 landing is a captain only landing, but I can't remember which airline it is. Does anyone know?

It really disgusts me that there are captains landing at 5+ degrees of pitch, and at least one captain that is telling fo's that they need to be landing flaps 15. I'm sure they feel like they are too good to get a tailstrike, but thanks to whoever posted that piedmont had 2 strikes this year, now we know it is happening on the shorter dash's, so of course it is more likely to happen on the Q.

If you are an Fo flying with one of these, and witness what I've been hearing, make sure you report it. Remember, your job is at stake too when they start grinding tail. Colgan doesn't need something like that, the publicity could be the final nail in the coffin for getting more planes.

 

[akseiner]

No, thank goodness I don't fly it for the moment. I wasn't accusing any pilots at any of the aforementioned companies. Indeed, I was addressing the idiot that posed the question in the first place. Obviously, anytime you introduce a new airplane with unusual characteristics due to it's landing gear configuration/length you may have some problems. My point is that it isn't systemic to Colgan, so my suggestion is that you drink a couple of cold adult beverages and relax. I wasn't attacking you personally.

Since you aren't on the q, let me explain to you that this is a legitimate issue/question. A pilot from Qx told me that Qx has never had a tailstrike. Now if it is true that Qx only allows flap 15 landings for captains as one person has posted, do you see that there might be a reason why they never had a tailstrike?
How am I not going to take it personal when you call me an idiot? (maybe you didn't see I posted the original question?)
Yes, I could relax with some cold ones and wait until it happens, but I'd rather try to prevent a tailstrike.
Remember, if a q has a tailstrike, it will affect you even though you are on the saab.

 

[urflyingme?!]

Colgan doesn't need something like that, the publicity could be the final nail in the coffin for getting more planes.

And auguring in a perfectly good aircraft is less worse than a tailstrike how?

 

[akseiner]

And auguring in a perfectly good aircraft is less worse than a tailstrike how?

No one ever said anything about one incident being greater or less than another.

That is why people use the expression "final nail"

 

[Yodafly]

don't be stupid

If you are an FO at Colgan who has flown with captains that land over 5 degrees pitch and stand by and let it happen you are responsible for any tail strike that may happen in the future.

Is keeping your mouth shut worth never upgrading due to loss of contracts due to being perceived as an unsafe airline.

How about if someone is hurt or killed due to loss of control of the airplane because you did not speak up....You are responsible

This is not a game don't be stupid.

If you think because you were not flying when it happens that your job is safe you would be mistaken.

Call the 800 anonymous safety line

 

[Sig]

If you are an FO at Colgan who has flown with captains that land over 5 degrees pitch and stand by and let it happen you are responsible for any tail strike that may happen in the future.

Easy, Yoda. Back down.

The dead last thing you want is to create a problem where there isn't one, and even worse- rally a call to arms for FOs to be ubervigilant by shaming them into being d!ckheads. Trust me, it doesn't work.

If you had a series of tailstrikes, yes. Time to raise awareness THROUGH THE TRAINING DEPARTMENT. But have there been any at all? I don't know, I am asking.

 

[Yodafly]

Maybe there is a better way to correct the problem and no there have not been any tailstrikes here yet. Hope whoever it is gets there stuff together before there is.

 

[Ezralite]

The dead last thing you want is to create a problem where there isn't one, and even worse- rally a call to arms for FOs to be ubervigilant by shaming them into being d!ckheads.

Yes, the last thing you'd want at Colgan is an ubervigilant FO.

 

[Sig]

Yes, the last thing you'd want at Colgan is an ubervigilant FO.

CLOSE! You erode the line between CA/FO, you have problems.

 

[urflyingme?!]

Why not just fly by the book....?


"Hey Tom, book says 30 deg."

 

[suupah]

CLOSE! You erode the line between CA/FO, you have problems.

Trying to change the cowboy culture at CJC as we grow. Bring the young guys up to respect SOP's. Retrain the capts to follow SOP's esp. limitations.

 

[Sig]

Trying to change the cowboy culture at CJC as we grow. Bring the young guys up to respect SOP's. Retrain the capts to follow SOP's esp. limitations.

That sounds a lot better than "watch them skippers!" Thanks for the clarification.