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ABX Aquisition????
Hello everyone, I am new to this board, and was wondering if any current ABX AIR pilots know anything about the rumors regarding ABX's buying of Pace Airlines? I know there are B767's on the way (former Delta), so I have heard rumors that ABX may want to do something with them until they are converted to cargo. Furthermore, can someone explain to me what is the deal with why the current 767's do not have a large cargo door as part of the conversion? How does it haul anything meaningful without this door?
Thanks guys.
Hello everyone, I am new to this board, and was wondering if any current ABX AIR pilots know anything about the rumors regarding ABX's buying of Pace Airlines? I know there are B767's on the way (former Delta), so I have heard rumors that ABX may want to do something with them until they are converted to cargo. Furthermore, can someone explain to me what is the deal with why the current 767's do not have a large cargo door as part of the conversion? How does it haul anything meaningful without this door?
Thanks guys.
The Delta 76's are getting cargo doors, as have all of the frames for a while. They are also getting the flat panel mod. Rumor has 2 more coming from Delta and also hearing some info about 767-300's coming from Asia.
On a seperate note the Pace deal has been flying around, no idea why. As far as the story about the ETOPS stuff, I was recently told we will have ETOPS in the very near future, all on our own. I asked why we would need it all of a sudden, all I got was a shrug...
On a seperate note the Pace deal has been flying around, no idea why. As far as the story about the ETOPS stuff, I was recently told we will have ETOPS in the very near future, all on our own. I asked why we would need it all of a sudden, all I got was a shrug...
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Maybe someone else on the board has some info on Pace, I've heard the purchase rumor but that's it. I know ABX is interested in accquisitions, so it's possible they are looking at Pace. I don't think any of the Delta 767s will be flown as pax aircraft. As far as I know they're all scheduled to be converted before we take delivery. Those are all coming with standard cargo doors, by the way.
ABX aircraft w/o a cargo door use a "C" container and special loader. Airborne Express was in the overnight express delivery business and the C container has some advantages for that type of business. It's actually more efficient for some of the sorting operations. Any freight that is too large for the C container goes into the belly compartments. I've heard that virtually all of the freight that ILN handles will fit into a C or into the belly.
I'm amazed at the legs this thread has. I'm not that senior at ABX, but I do not expect to be furloughed and I think that confidence is shared by most of the pilot group here. That having been said, I try to keep my network up. I have a resume and I even have a couple of applications out. I began my first airline job over 30 years ago (as a ramper) and I have been continuously employed as a pilot for 26 years now. If I have learned anything in that time, it is that there is no sure thing in this business. FedEx and UPS are the cream of this business today and, if I were flying there, I would feel pretty confident about the future. At least as far as having a job until retirement. But it's incredible how fast the flying business can turn upside down. What's going to happen to the U.S. & global economy if oil prices stay at current levels or increase? NO company that operates airplanes is immune from hard times.
If a pilot is successful in this business it's because they worked hard and then were in the right place at the right time. I've always worked for good companies with good equipment. I've never been laid off, always had a paycheck, my wife didn't have to work (her choice) and I've lived where I wanted to. That's not because I'm a genius or super-pilot, far from it. I worked hard and then was at the right place at the right time. I have plenty of friends who worked just as hard, were just as good a pilot and now they are on the street. My point is that I don't think that pilots at successful companies somehow "deserve" or "earned" their position more than the pilots who are furloughed or working at less desirable companies. I don't appreciate the sniping or "flamebaiting" that comes from a self-righteous attitude. I'm glad I work at ABX, I think it's a great airline and I think we have a future. Whether you're flying at UPS, AS, Astar or Kalitta I accept you as a peer and hope that we ALL prosper. I feel the same about this business as I did about sports: play to win, play within the rules, respect your opponent and share a couple of beers after the game.
I hope this post isn't too "touchy-feely", it can be a pretty rough crowd on this forum!
ABX aircraft w/o a cargo door use a "C" container and special loader. Airborne Express was in the overnight express delivery business and the C container has some advantages for that type of business. It's actually more efficient for some of the sorting operations. Any freight that is too large for the C container goes into the belly compartments. I've heard that virtually all of the freight that ILN handles will fit into a C or into the belly.
I'm amazed at the legs this thread has. I'm not that senior at ABX, but I do not expect to be furloughed and I think that confidence is shared by most of the pilot group here. That having been said, I try to keep my network up. I have a resume and I even have a couple of applications out. I began my first airline job over 30 years ago (as a ramper) and I have been continuously employed as a pilot for 26 years now. If I have learned anything in that time, it is that there is no sure thing in this business. FedEx and UPS are the cream of this business today and, if I were flying there, I would feel pretty confident about the future. At least as far as having a job until retirement. But it's incredible how fast the flying business can turn upside down. What's going to happen to the U.S. & global economy if oil prices stay at current levels or increase? NO company that operates airplanes is immune from hard times.
If a pilot is successful in this business it's because they worked hard and then were in the right place at the right time. I've always worked for good companies with good equipment. I've never been laid off, always had a paycheck, my wife didn't have to work (her choice) and I've lived where I wanted to. That's not because I'm a genius or super-pilot, far from it. I worked hard and then was at the right place at the right time. I have plenty of friends who worked just as hard, were just as good a pilot and now they are on the street. My point is that I don't think that pilots at successful companies somehow "deserve" or "earned" their position more than the pilots who are furloughed or working at less desirable companies. I don't appreciate the sniping or "flamebaiting" that comes from a self-righteous attitude. I'm glad I work at ABX, I think it's a great airline and I think we have a future. Whether you're flying at UPS, AS, Astar or Kalitta I accept you as a peer and hope that we ALL prosper. I feel the same about this business as I did about sports: play to win, play within the rules, respect your opponent and share a couple of beers after the game.
I hope this post isn't too "touchy-feely", it can be a pretty rough crowd on this forum!
good info.....
Hey ABX booger and xspud, thanks for the info, it's amazing how better informed line people can be as compared to the office types that don't have a clue or are kept out of the loop.
Pace got 180 min ETOPS certification without ever being a previous ETOPS carrier from the start. That is due to their superb MX (most of which is furloughed USAIRWAYS). They have their own 145 Mx certficate, so I don't know how useful that will be for ABX. Rumors have it that ABX wants to join the available pool of CRAF carriers. (civil reserve air fleet). Take from that what you will, and that is the only logical reason for why they would be interested in Pace, since Pace has an operating certificate with vast worldwide route authority on the PAX side. I wonder how long a process and how much money would be required for ABX to seek PAX route authority to get to the point of where Pace is. Seems to me, that an acquisition would get them that immediately with the least amount of time and money spent.
FYI for those that care. or wonder......the whole sorry episode of Hooters Air is done. Their last flight was on April17th and they are no longer flying. Pace is continuing on just their own core charter business, while the acquisition/merger/buyout is taking it's due course! From what I have heard short of an official press announcement this deal is done.
Well anyways if anyone has any more concrete info or any better informed facts on the above please share them!
Hey ABX booger and xspud, thanks for the info, it's amazing how better informed line people can be as compared to the office types that don't have a clue or are kept out of the loop.
Pace got 180 min ETOPS certification without ever being a previous ETOPS carrier from the start. That is due to their superb MX (most of which is furloughed USAIRWAYS). They have their own 145 Mx certficate, so I don't know how useful that will be for ABX. Rumors have it that ABX wants to join the available pool of CRAF carriers. (civil reserve air fleet). Take from that what you will, and that is the only logical reason for why they would be interested in Pace, since Pace has an operating certificate with vast worldwide route authority on the PAX side. I wonder how long a process and how much money would be required for ABX to seek PAX route authority to get to the point of where Pace is. Seems to me, that an acquisition would get them that immediately with the least amount of time and money spent.
FYI for those that care. or wonder......the whole sorry episode of Hooters Air is done. Their last flight was on April17th and they are no longer flying. Pace is continuing on just their own core charter business, while the acquisition/merger/buyout is taking it's due course! From what I have heard short of an official press announcement this deal is done.
Well anyways if anyone has any more concrete info or any better informed facts on the above please share them!
B737,
Yeah, we are hearing the rumors also. The most plausible ones I have heard are we are interested in the MX hangers you guys have. We do a decent amount of third party mx and are doing the flat panel mods on all our 767's as well as any outside work. Could be we are looking for room to roam.
The CRAF deal would be interesting. It worries me a little bit about getting into pax ops...As far as the ETOPS, I would speculate that there is European flying in the near future.
spud, I am optimistic also, lots of furloughs, more aircraft on the way, increased charter flying for many different people, and I am certain DHL will eventually be a major player. Love the new ads...
Yeah, we are hearing the rumors also. The most plausible ones I have heard are we are interested in the MX hangers you guys have. We do a decent amount of third party mx and are doing the flat panel mods on all our 767's as well as any outside work. Could be we are looking for room to roam.
The CRAF deal would be interesting. It worries me a little bit about getting into pax ops...As far as the ETOPS, I would speculate that there is European flying in the near future.
spud, I am optimistic also, lots of furloughs, more aircraft on the way, increased charter flying for many different people, and I am certain DHL will eventually be a major player. Love the new ads...
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