How Long til ABX Furloughs again?

[penguin22]

I also think the Pace thing is nothing about ETOPS and all about MX and the hangers. After all, we don't own the ILN hangers anymore...

 

[B737Dvr]

Well now this makes it all the more interesting. Since the start of the year Pace has had about a 50% reduction in line crews (pilot list equaled 100 or so at end of 05'). This has reduced Pace to just about where it was in terms of staff when Hooters bought us. I have heard that ABX people have been in INT doing all sorts of auditing along with some "brass". I didnt know that ABX already had a CRAF program, perhaps it is just simply the PAX certificate authority that ABX wants. As far as the hanger space, pace doesnt own it, and leases it from TIMCO. we have wanted both sides of the hanger (one side can house 3 757's simultaneously) and maybe a 737.....but TIMCO being aware of our potential has not allowed us more space. I give up! lol
Everything is hush hush because of "confidentiality" reasons, which I can understand, but damn, we havent heard a god damn thing, not even a "standby more to come as it becomes available" from our people....so i dont know. Seems carriers are starting to get away from FE's where i read on another thread that Polar is going to dump alot of 100/200 series causing much mayhem there with their lists. It sounds like ABX is also headed in that direction and perhaps it is a smart move! Kitty Hawk is now flying around cargo 737's! and i dont know how that works, but it may be more economical that a DC-9. Hell UPS is leaning towards more 75/76's.....in the end, i only speculate while my family and I are in a continual holding pattern without any idea of whether an "EFC time" even exits......but when they do say something I'm sure it will be needed yesterday, with the troops having to either lose their job with no notice or if your lucky, go to school on a new airplane for 2 months with a day's notice!......go figure......

 

[penguin22]

As far as the hanger space, pace doesnt own it, and leases it from TIMCO.

Well that throws my theory out the window.

 

[Bitter]

How many aircraft/type does Pace still operate?

 

[penguin22]

since this thread has drifted all over the map, I'll go back to a point we were discussing earlier.

xspud made some good points, but I feel the need to clarify a bit from my perspective.

My point is that I don't think that pilots at successful companies somehow "deserve" or "earned" their position more than the pilots who are furloughed or working at less desirable companies. I don't appreciate the sniping or "flamebaiting" that comes from a self-righteous attitude. I'm glad I work at ABX, I think it's a great airline and I think we have a future. Whether you're flying at UPS, AS, Astar or Kalitta I accept you as a peer and hope that we ALL prosper. I feel the same about this business as I did about sports: play to win, play within the rules, respect your opponent and share a couple of beers after the game.

I hope this post isn't too "touchy-feely", it can be a pretty rough crowd on this forum!

While I agree in general with that, I'll point out its a little unique here at ABX in that those of us who were here at the very beginning did not "inherit" this airline from older pilots. WE are the ones who built it up from nothing. We started out flying cancelled checks with aztecs and aerostars and built it up to something that first Airborne Express bought, and now DHL.

I'll bet some of the top FDX pilots feel the same way. UPS, on the other hand, existed long before they ever hired a pilot.

I know it’s a “self-righteous attitude”, but sorry, it is what it is.

 

[penguin22]

The senior pilots don't want all theirs and all yours. They want what their seniorty entitles them to. You forget that all those senior pukes were once junior. I sat reserve BU (before union) when reserve was on call 24/7. You maybe got weekends off if you weren't sent somewhere. Sometimes you got sent out for 3+ weeks straight. The senior folks you so belittle stood up, said no more, and voted the union in. 2nd year pay in any seat is more than what Captains used to make, and you get more days off, reserve or not. What you want is what I earned and what I'm entitled to, and you're unwilling to wait your turn. Grow up or go play in traffic.

"What you want is what I earned "

That's a great line. I may want to steal it one day!

 

[erichartmann]

"What you want is what I earned "

That's a great line. I may want to steal it one day!

Help yourself.

WRT Pace I have heard we want the MX because we are looking at doing our own doors. :bomb:

 

[B737Dvr]

Pace operates 737's 2/3/4 series. They also operate 757's.
The website is totally old. We used to have 22ish planes but now are down to only 5ish. From info that I have gotten on this site, my ideas or thoughts on the why's of this merger have been quashed. I am looking forward to ABX's annual meeting of stockholders on May 8th, as we may get some info from the principals mouth!

 

[MJH767]

Good Luck on information from management about future plans. An awful lot has changed in the last 2 -3 years, including positive changes in employee relations, but they still play close to the vest concerning future plans