How Long til ABX Furloughs again?

[Joe Pilot]

Go back to school for some remedial reading. Nowhere did I claim having any "five year plan". I merely said lets see who does more hiring over the next 5 years.
Let me spell it out for you, since we're talking about furloughees. I'd rather be on the bottom of our seniority list than yours.

Now I could see someone with your reading skills might conclude from that statement that I'm at the bottom of our seniority list. Just to be clear, I'm not.

I guess I should worship the ground you walk on oh mighty one.

 

[UPSer]

Astar's MEC has authorized contract CONCESSION negotiations with Astar management. They said the concessions are needed so Astar can take DHL flying away from ABX.

 

[flx757]

UPSer is TheGuat, Rhoid, IHaveAPension, FreightNazi, ABXpert, OUT, 410Dude, GuppyKiller, TheGuppyKiller, E170GuppyKiller, RJDC, TheMissingLink, LucyFurr and countless other previously banned users.

 

[erichartmann]

DHL obviously does not care about this, or fully understand the potential implication. Which is even more frightening.

Abx has 28 aircraft parked idle and Astar has none. Abx will be parking 3 more 9's by the end of June and an 8. OK, Abx will add 4 boeings by years end. The math still looks bad.

We are overstaffed, and with rumors of the 8 going away completely and retirement going to 65. It will get even more stagnent and uglier than ever. Can you say deep furlough, for a long time.

I am not chuckling!

Personally I doubt there will be furloughs. I do think 8's will be parked as more 767's come on line. The real question is how many go to DHL and how many go to non-DHL charter. Those that go to DHL will more than likely replace non-door 8's.

I think DHL is parking non-door aircraft in favor of cargo door aircraft to satisfy a precieved need to haul heavy freight which does not readily fit on ABX's non- door aircraft. I suspect they view the CAT II/III issue as secondary to hauling the customer's freight every day. This may change if we have a few Cat II/III days at ILN and Astar can't get in. BTW, Hete is trying to convince DHL that ABX can haul the limited amount of heavy freight in the system in the belly pits.

 

[erichartmann]

According to Vollmer, since your new uniform vendor is up and operating with the proper color of grey, he expects each and every one of you to wear the full and correct uniform. That includes the hat. Most of you guys could stand to take a lesson in professional appearance from one of the handful of you guys that acutally dresses properly, Capt. H. Moran. Now he looks like an "airline pilot" not a freight dog.

Once upon a time the Chief Pilot was chosen from among the airline's senior pilots and was generally well respected among the crew force because he had "been there, done that, and had the grey hair to prove it. Now a chief pilot is a jumped up clerk with a BA or MBA in "Aviation Business Management", has spent most of his career behind a desk pushing paper while avoiding flying the line, and has comparatively little real practical experience. As a result he doesn't really know what goes on in the day to day operations of flying the line, and has little or no respect from the captains and first officers he nominally supervises.

 

[erichartmann]

I will say the dude seems to know a lot of what's going on at both companies.

I just get my info on R1 nights and that's only when a few key informants are there. One that comes to mind begins with B, ends with A and hubba in the middle.

Ah, the management mouthpiece!

 

[UPSer]

Once upon a time the Chief Pilot was chosen from among the airline's senior pilots and was generally well respected among the crew force because he had "been there, done that, and had the grey hair to prove it. Now a chief pilot is a jumped up clerk with a BA or MBA in "Aviation Business Management", has spent most of his career behind a desk pushing paper while avoiding flying the line, and has comparatively little real practical experience. As a result he doesn't really know what goes on in the day to day operations of flying the line, and has little or no respect from the captains and first officers he nominally supervises.

You mean like Boja, Ezell, Zwiedinger? Schmidt was the only good one of the bunch.

 

[flx757]

UPSer is TheGuat, Rhoid, IHaveAPension, FreightNazi, ABXpert, OUT, 410Dude, GuppyKiller, TheGuppyKiller, E170GuppyKiller, RJDC, TheMissingLink, LucyFurr and countless other previously banned users.

Dropping a few names (like you tried as "ABXpert") doesn't give you any more credibility. It just makes you look even more ridiculous and desperate.

 

[Joe Pilot]

Astar's MEC has authorized contract CONCESSION negotiations with Astar management. They said the concessions are needed so Astar can take DHL flying away from ABX.

I am going to call B.S. on that one. DHL just wants to save as much as it can and is looking everywhere to take some back. There is no way that concessions are going to happen just to take flying away for ABX.
DHL also wants $80-100 million in savings from ABX. Now I am sure you will say that is so they can take flying from Astar.
Quit flamming and hold the bar.

 

[ABXbooger]

Listen again to the hotline, it doesn't say anything about taking flying from us, rather it says they need to bargain to save their jobs. Interesting.