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How intelligent/smart must you be to be a pilot??

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A matter of culture

NYCPilot said:
maybe I just want to see that being able to achieve a 121 position reqiured some level of competency.

It's all politics by the time you get to this point.

I mean, you're expected to be able to recognize which end of the airplane moves through the air first.

But after that, it's really a matter of corporate culture and exactly who do the "movers and shakers" care to hire and adopt into their little club.

Look at the difference in hiring between the various companies (when they were actually hiring).

I'm one of those guys that Asquared mentions but let's be honest: there's a reason why my company hires DC6 pilots from Alaska. It's not because we're Sky Gods that's for damn sure.

It's because we know how to move old broken down airplanes and not bitch about the fact there's no diet Coke on the airplane. Know what I mean?

That said, I think there are certain lessons that need to be learned *before* you get to the controls of a jet transport.

Is the 747 easy to fly? Yeah, she's sweet.

But she's fast and sucks down the fuel real fast. To an experienced pilot that means your reactions and decision making needs to be honed. We often block out just above min fuel required, sometimes with marginal weather. That means if you start your descent you must be fairly certain you're gonna make it...that takes skill, judgement and decision making. If you're down low, on a missed approach, with min gas you need to have a plan because you're burning gas like nobody's business.

And it goes without saying, this is all done on the backside of the clock after an eight hour flight. The fatigue issue alone is a good reason to expect some experience from your crew.

So I think it's silly when certain companies require so much time "in type" or so much turbine time, or whatever other arbitrary prerequisite they stipulate but like I said it's all politics and culture.

The degree requirement itself is nothing more than another filter to narrow the field of applicants. It has nothing to do with intelligence or ability or anything else.

Good luck.
 
mar said:
I'm one of those guys that Asquared mentions but let's be honest: there's a reason why my company hires DC6 pilots from Alaska. It's not because we're Sky Gods that's for dang sure.

Just to clarify, I mentioned that not to suggest that DC-6 pilots are the be-all and end-all of aviation, but to give a point of reference with which I am very familliar and which dovetailed nicely with nycpilot's mention of the 747
 
Understood

But I think DC6 pilots are pretty dang cool. It's still probably the most intense CRM experience I've ever had.
 
I just googled some pics of the DC-6 cockpit. Those things look prehistoric! Probably pretty intense to fly in comparison to the newer jets.
 
Oh my gad!, Mar just say a degree had nothing to do with flying an airplane, it was just a box you check to get an interview. Where have I heard that before?
 
DC8 Flyer said:
NYC:

Not trying to hop on the band wagon "against" you here. Just to put things in perspective flying large "heavy" or "widebody" airplanes ...

Let's put it in further perspective. The minimum requirement for a right seater in a 747 are the certificates necessary to fly as Second In Command.

Any other magical requirements are stipulated by the corporate culture of the airline doing the hiring and how much they want YOU to pass their initial training.
 
FN FAL said:
Let's put it in further perspective. The minimum requirement for a right seater in a 747 are the certificates necessary to fly as Second In Command.

Any other magical requirements are stipulated by the corporate culture of the airline doing the hiring and how much they want YOU to pass their initial training.


So I guess that is a Private Pilot Cert with a ME rating? If Bill Gates has 150 hrs, a PPL and a 747 type and Warren Buffet has a PPL and a simple ME rating then they can buy a 74 and split the expenses and the SIC wouldn't even need an IR if they are going VFR! Do I have this right?
 
PAPA FOX! said:
So I guess that is a Private Pilot Cert with a ME rating? If Bill Gates has 150 hrs, a PPL and a 747 type and Warren Buffet has a PPL and a simple ME rating then they can buy a 74 and split the expenses and the SIC wouldn't even need an IR if they are going VFR! Do I have this right?
That's about right. I've seen a couple private pilot certificates with VFR only Lear type ratings. Hard to imagine isn't it. I used to work with a guy who had a DC-3 type that was limited to VFR. I guess all it would take would be the $$$.

'Sled
 
FN FAL said:
Let's put it in further perspective. The minimum requirement for a right seater in a 747 are the certificates necessary to fly as Second In Command.

Any other magical requirements are stipulated by the corporate culture of the airline doing the hiring and how much they want YOU to pass their initial training.

True, with a caveat... the Captains with some experience will tell you that an FO with the absolute minimums to legally occupy the right seat are in fact ann utter detriment to the flight, and present more danger overall than if the Captain was solo.

This is where the corporation steps in, and basically says "we need 2500 PIC turbine, because guys with this experience level will actually contribute to the trip, rather than suck the life force from a good Captain and render the flight dangerous." :D
 
Gorilla said:
True, with a caveat... the Captains with some experience will tell you that an FO with the absolute minimums to legally occupy the right seat are in fact ann utter detriment to the flight, and present more danger overall than if the Captain was solo.

This is where the corporation steps in, and basically says "we need 2500 PIC turbine, because guys with this experience level will actually contribute to the trip, rather than suck the life force from a good Captain and render the flight dangerous." :D
yea, I have heard those stories before and I believe they are true because I have had such people sitting next to me in Navajos and 414's. However, you're not going to tell me that if the FO of a 747 keels over dead, that it is mandatory for the captain to crash the plane.
 
Hey,
Anything above mildly retarded is a waste of brain cells.
PBR
 
Maybe both

I don't think you have to be the smartest guy to be a pilot, certainly not to manipulate the controls. But you should be able to anticipate and stay ahead of the aircraft and you have to possess the tools to make good decisions. Some of that comes from experience for sure. Some of it is dictated by mandatory checklists that are designed to take out the dumb sh#t factor.

There are plenty of guys out there who can manipulate the controls well enough but can't make a good decision to save their lives. And thats where the problem lies. Like its rare that you can't teach a person to actually fly the plane fairly well under most conditions its similarly rare to get a guy who can fly and manage a cockpit well under adverse conditions plus balance that with the right amount of people skills. It's a juggling act and it does help if you have intelligence to handle it well. The best guys I've flown with were pretty smart guys inately.
 
what about personality trails

What type of personality wants to be a pilot and what traits do you need
in order to be a good pilot. I think it's a combination of skills, smarts and common sense that make a good pilot. of course, i'm speaking not from experience but from an assumption.
 
You need to be left-handed and/or first born and/or afraid of heights. ;)

Other than that, it's something that almost any reasonably intelligent, reasonably coordinated person with a normal amount of common sense and good judgement can be taught to do very well. Oh, I forgot... Most pilots have a bit of an ego as well.

'Sled
 
Guys and ladies, remember children fly airplanes. yes even at 7 and 8 eight year olds, look it up on the website! Anyone can fly a plane, multitask is for more comlicated jets, just remember children can fly planes!
 

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