How big will NJ get?

[PlaneJohn]

Anyone have any projection for how many planes and pilots Netjets will grow to? Is there a maximum to how large they will let the company become? I'm sure this has also been asked before, but how long are upgrades running? Thanks.

 

[RP170]

I'm sure this has also been asked before, but how long are upgrades running?

The union is saying around 5 years if you are hired today. Hard to really say though. I would say expect at least 4 years and if it happens sooner than that consider yourself lucky.

 

[fischman]

They've been saying for years that they want 5000 pilot's on the seniority list. FWIW, we currently have about 2600-2700.

I would plan on a 5 year upgrade at LEAST.

 

[rumrnr78]

Fischman, would you please link a source to your tag-line quote. And, not Wikipedia if you please.
rum

 

[robbo]

Fischman, would you please link a source to your tag-line quote.
Yep he really said it.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/05/20060507-2.html

 

[fischman]

Fischman, would you please link a source to your tag-line quote. And, not Wikipedia if you please.
rum

Sorry man. I can't remember where I found that. You are the first one to ever mention it!

 

[rumrnr78]

Thanx Robbo. After reading the article it was a small mistake in a long diatribe.
Fisch- In your tag line , it would be better to quote the Rhodes scholar and husband to the smartest woman in the world: "it depends what your definition of is is..."
cheers-rum

 

[FLYLOW22]

Thanx Robbo. After reading the article it was a small mistake in a long diatribe.
Fisch- In your tag line , it would be better to quote the Rhodes scholar and husband to the smartest woman in the world: "it depends what your definition of is is..."
cheers-rum

Rummy,

Just what is your point as it relates to this thread? I thought so. George Bush can't speak well. There.

RTS wants to rule the world. That will take many planes. The limit to NJ growth will be the infrastructure needed to support our planes; ramp space, runways, airspace, OEM capabiity to make airplanes and repair them, etc.

I am sure that we would grow to 2,000 planes world wide if the infrastructure will support it.

"Bring it", I say.

 

[Johnlp3]

So how does NJ decide how many aircraft to order? Do they have buyers before they order the new aircraft, or do they order based on speculation?

 

[NJAPLT]

I think they order based on projected demand vs what orders are available and delivery times. They must be doing alright with it, I think every fleet except the Hawker 400 has a waiting list.

 

[Guitar Guy]

So how does NJ decide how many aircraft to order? Do they have buyers before they order the new aircraft, or do they order based on speculation?

With the long lead time between orders and deliveries, I'm pretty sure the company has to order first based off of what they project to be demand. I do know that they talk with owners and potential owners about the sort of mission profiles they intend to fly so that the company can get a good mix of aircraft types.

We actually have had situations in some fleets where Marquis card buyers can't get into a certain aircraft beacuse there is such a demand among owners. This happened with the XL around 2004-5, for example.

 

[gutshotdraw]

They've been saying for years that they want 5000 pilot's on the seniority list. FWIW, we currently have about 2600-2700.

I would plan on a 5 year upgrade at LEAST.

Fisch,

The VSL has over 3000 names on it :crying:

 

[fischman]

Fisch,

The VSL has over 3000 names on it :crying:

I have no idea if NJI was considered in those numbers. We are glad to have you guys with us man. The future is getting brighter for all of us!

 

[fischman]

Thanx Robbo. After reading the article it was a small mistake in a long diatribe.
Fisch- In your tag line , it would be better to quote the Rhodes scholar and husband to the smartest woman in the world: "it depends what your definition of is is..."
cheers-rum

I'm not going to turn this thread political.

You know my opinion of the current president.uke:

 

[jonjuan]

With the long lead time between orders and deliveries, I'm pretty sure the company has to order first based off of what they project to be demand. I do know that they talk with owners and potential owners about the sort of mission profiles they intend to fly so that the company can get a good mix of aircraft types.

Much of the back-log demand is "artificial" as netjets hasn't delivered a single new Citation X in over 2 years. This is due to very little demand. If there was demand, Cessna would have delivered the planes. Also, only 4 F2000EXs have been brought to property in the past 2 years. This again has to do with owner demand. Sounds as though management "might" be bending the truth about order and delivery lead times. Of course the koolaid drinkers will dispute this.