How big are tips in the frac industry?

[NJAFracPilot]

The passengers will either tip you or they won't, and the only way to ensure you won't be tipped is to not properly do your job. If you are offered a tip and turn it down, you are an insulting ass. It has nothing to do with being a professional.

Jesus Tapdancing Christ! (To quote a certain wise NJA'er)

It's you that's insulting (and apparently maintaining a pretty high level of rationalization to justify your actions). When offered a tip, I've been able to politely say, "Thank you, but that's not necessary" when declining to accept it without offending anyone.

It has everything to do with being a professional.

 

[netjetwife]

Excellent post, UG!...

 

[netjetwife]

....When offered a tip, I've been able to politely say, "Thank you, but that's not necessary" when declining to accept it without offending anyone......

How would you know what the pax was privately thinking? I don't think for a minute that anyone in that position would add to the embarrassment of the situation by making an issue of it. If people didn't already find the question of when to tip rather confusing there wouldn't be books written solely on that very subject. Many such books are bought by people hoping to save themselves from the embarrassing situation you proudly create.... Here's an example of one of those books--

Tipping for Success: Secrets for How to Get In and Get Great Service by Mark L. Brenner,

and one of the reviews which illustrates my point.

Mark Kozak, Creative Director, Entrepreneur Magazine
Finally someone has written a book for all those road warriors who have always felt awkward about how to tip. This insightful book is a welcome relief. Now, you'll never have to shy away from these situations or feel embarrassed again...

 

[Diesel]

I find it pretty amusing that someone who so much wants to be part of a certain group or class in life also wants to have the exceptions and the handouts applied too.

Wp pretty much summed it up. I am disucssing real world experience to a monitor and keyboard. To someone that has only heard it in stories and read it in books. Can reference what we should do and shouldn't do by what mrs manners in the sunday paper says.

If you have seen the park scene in good will hunting with matt damon and robin williams you would understand the point I'm trying to make.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Did that movie ever get released in VHS form? I hear its pretty good. Can't wait to see it.

On another note.....can anyone tell me how to get the digital clock on my BETA machine from blinking?

 

[Diesel]

no but if you swing by deathstar aviation in pvd they have fletch on beta upstairs in the nasty smoke infested pilot lounge.

 

[NJAowner]

This whole thread, which seems to be a quarterly event, seems to get its momentum due to 2 assumptions in the argument.

1. The definition of the "NJA Pilot's job"-- is it (1) only what is handled while sitting in the cockpit, and everything else is above and beyond the job description, or (2) (which happened to be the argument used during the negotiations) the pilot is the face of NJA to the owners and probably the only NJA employee and owner will have direct personal contact with, and therefore responsible for all aspects of a safe and comfortable journey.

2. "Tips" -- are they (1) expected, commonplace and regular such as tipping a waiter ina restaurant, or (2) greatly appreciated when infrequently received.

A few other misconceptions:

1. The US Constitution while guaranteeing many rights and privileges does not guarantee the right to the job of your choice at a high rate of pay. Unfortunately, many people take jobs other than their first choice because they pay more. The limo driver may make more than the pilot but the certified trained mechanic who services the limo probably make more than both of them (at least in the Northeast). And a cocktail waitress in Vegas make more than all of them. How much do you pay the babysitter who may watch your children at times? -- this is one of the most important jobs there is - but they probably make less than the neighbor's son who shoveled your walk in the latest snow storm.

2. Limos. NJW has seen a few too many episodes of the Apprentice. I do not take a limo to the airport. (Usually we take the Rolls - unless I drive the Ferrari myself -- and have our huge domestic staff follow in a truck with all of our luggage).

3. Luggage. Why design, sell and fly jets with great luggage capacity if it is not to be used. Some people who need more luggage capacity fly a Citation or Gulfstream instead of a Hawker. Also, ease in amouts and types of luggage is one of the benefits of private aviation.

Fly safe.

 

[GVFlyer]

How would you know what the pax was privately thinking? I don't think for a minute that anyone in that position would add to the embarrassment of the situation by making an issue of it. If people didn't already find the question of when to tip rather confusing there wouldn't be books written solely on that very subject. Many such books are bought by people hoping to save themselves from the embarrassing situation you proudly create....

Let me answer for NJAFracpilot.

Hopefully, they are thinking the same thing that I would be thinking in that situation; that I had dramatically misjudged the situation, the nature of the service provided and the status of the service provider.

It is amusing how you tortuously attempt to twist etiquette rules for doormen and waiters into an appropriate behavior to reward trained professionals for doing the job for which they are already compensated.

It is demeaning and condescending.

 

[Ultra Grump]

It's you that's insulting (and apparently maintaining a pretty high level of rationalization to justify your actions). When offered a tip, I've been able to politely say, "Thank you, but that's not necessary" when declining to accept it without offending anyone.

And on the rare occasions when I've been offered a tip (no, they're not expected), I've said exactly the same thing, and then they in turn insist I take it. Should we just keep going back and forth?
"No, really, it's not necessary."
"Please, you and your partner enjoy a drink on us."
"No, we appreciate it, but it's not necessary."
"I insist."
At what point do you get off your professional high horse?

2. "Tips" -- are they (1) expected, commonplace and regular such as tipping a waiter ina restaurant, or (2) greatly appreciated when infrequently received.

#2. I do not expect to be tipped, but I am not offended if offered a tip.

2. Limos. NJW has seen a few too many episodes of the Apprentice. I do not take a limo to the airport. (Usually we take the Rolls - unless I drive the Ferrari myself -- and have our huge domestic staff follow in a truck with all of our luggage).

I think you misunderstand the NJA use of the word "limo." I'm sure you occasionally fly commercial, and have seen the "airport limo" services over there. How many of them are actually stretch limos? Very few. NJA's use of the word "limo" should be changed to "sedan." Typically a Lincoln Town Car, which pull up to our airplanes with owners and their luggage on a regular basis.

 

[NJAowner]

UG - I agree -- that if the owner insists, you should accept. You should not be offended. From her posts, I believe NJW feels that the tips shoul dbe expected, much like those for a waiter. In addition, while you and I understand the use of the word "limo", I get the feeling that she believes they are the long stretch ones.

Fly safe.