Houston G3 CVR Transcript Part I

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NTSB Delivers Gulfstream CVR Transcript




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The NTSB factual report just arrived on the
fatal crash of the Gulfstream G-1159A (GIII), N85VT, which impacted a light
pole near Houston Hobby Airport, on November 22, 2004.

The NTSB cautioned, "The reader of this report is cautioned that the
transcription of a CVR tape is not a precise science but is the best product
possible from an NTSB group investigative effort.The transcript, or parts
thereof, if taken out of context, could be misleading. The attached CVR
transcript should be viewed as an accident investigation tool to be used
inconjunction with other evidence gathered during the investigation.
Conclusions or interpretations should not be made using the transcript as
the sole source of information."

HOT Crewmember hot microphone voice or sound source
RDO Radio transmission from accident aircraft
CTR1 Radio transmission from 1st Houston Center
CTR2 Radio transmission from 2nd Houston Center
APR Radio transmission from Houston Hobby approach control
RAY Radio transmission from Raytheon Hobby fixed base operator
TWR Radio transmission from Houston Hobby tower
-1 Voice identified as Pilot-in-Command (PIC)
-2 Voice identified as Co-Pilot (SIC)
ATIS Radio transmission from Houston Hobby ATIS
-? Voice unidentified
* Unintelligible word
@ Non-pertinent word
# Expletive
- - - Break in continuity
( ) Questionable insertion
[ ] Editorial insertion
.. Pause

Note 1: Times are expressed in central standard time (CST).
Note 2: For ATC transmissions, only radio transmissions to and from
the accident aircraft were transcribed.

05:43:32
START of RECORDING
START of TRANSCRIPT
05:43:32
ATIS ...runway one two left hold short sign on runway four out of
service.
advise on initial contact you have information "Kabek". Hobby ATIS
information "Kabeck". one zero five three Zulu weather, wind, calm.
visibility one eighth. runway four RVR variable one thousand six hundred to,
two thousand four hundred, fog. ceiling one hundred broken nine thousand
overcast. temperature two one, dew point two one. altimeter three zero zero
one. ILS runway four approach in use. departure runway will be assigned by,
tower, one one eight point seven....
05:44:18
HOT-2 gee.
05:44:18
ATIS ...ground control is combined with the tower. notices to
airmen....
05:44:24
HOT-2 so it's a hundred broken, nine over....
05:44:24
ATIS ...**** taxiway Mike closed between taxiway *....
05:44:25
HOT-2 ...with the RVR of uh, sixteen hundred variable to twenty four
hundred there's a good chance.
05:44:33
HOT-1 I think they may give us a break.
05:44:34
HOT-2 I think there's a good chance there.
05:44:37
HOT-1 I used to go into Sacramento [sound of chuckle].
05:44:39
HOT-2 oh, Sacramento was awful.
05:44:41
http://www.aero-news.net/# HOT-1 at, at
two or three o'clock in the morning with the Kings....
05:44:44
HOT-2 uh huh.
05:44:45
HOT-1 ... and I swear that they, they would give me a break on the
RVR.
05:44:50
HOT-2 yeah.
05:44:51
HOT-1 and I know I've done it down to twelve hundred RVR.
05:44:54
HOT-2 oh yeah. I know I, I used to go into Arcata all the time. and
uh, one of the controllers up there I knew pretty well, and he puts out a
special for me, you know. special.
05:45:07
HOT-1 [sound of chuckle]
HOT-2 and I got down and I shot and I couldn't see anything, I
looked straight down **. I was only flying a one eighty two then. that's
right on the coast.
05:45:15
HOT-1 yeah.
05:45:16
HOT-2 looked straight down and I see, the runway there so I thought
oh #, I'll, I'll just go ahead and land. I couldn't find, I couldn't find a
way off the runway. I, and then as soon as I landed, he puts out another
special.
05:45:23
CTR1 central *** weather advisory valid until one three correction,
at one three zero five Zulu. from Monroe to San Angelo, to Leesville, to six
zero miles south of Intercontinental, to Laredo, to Del Rio, to five zero
miles east, northeast of Ft. Stockton, to four five miles west northwest of
Alexandria, to Monroe. an area of widespread limited IFR. ceilings uh, below
uh, three hundred feet visibility below a half a mile with fog. conditions
continuing beyond thirteen hundred Z.
05:46:02
HOT-2 hey Ford, where's my light up here? is it, is it right up
here?
05:46:06
HOT-1 uh, well let's turn on the big light. maybe....
05:46:10
HOT-2 this is page line advance. no, it's gotta be somewhere else.
HOT-1 I think it's on the forward panel here someplace.
05:46:15
CTR1 Gulfstream eight five Victor Tango, contact Houston center, one
three five point three two. good morning.
05:46:20
RDO-2 thirty five thirty two for er eight, eight er, five Victor
Tango. thank you. good morning.
05:46:26
HOT [sound of beep similar to frequency change alert]
05:46:27
RDO-2 and center uh, Gulfstream eight five Victor Tango is with you,
two nine zero.
05:46:32
CTR2 November eight five Victor Tango Houston center, roger.
05:46:35
HOT-2 okay, there, there, there, there, I'm lookin' there. I don't
see it there.
05:46:38
HOT-1 ***, it's right there. overhead....
05:46:40
HOT-2 oh....
05:46:41
HOT-1 ...overhead map light.
HOT-2 ...oh, okay. yeah, what a stupe. I was look.... when you
pointed, I was look ** saw CB flood.
05:46:47
HOT-1 [sound of chuckle]
05:46:49
HOT-2 oh man. yeah, I just got out of this airplane last night.
can't you tell?
05:46:54
HOT-1 yeah.
05:46:55
HOT-2 [sound of laughter] boy, okay, this is looks good. all right,
and on one of 'em it's up here. I can't remember which one that is. oh, you
know uh, one oh three Hotel Tango?
05:47:08
HOT-1 yeah.
05:47:09
HOT-2 that used to be under that, * under that uh, name tag up there
one oh three Hotel Tango. it used to be eight five....
05:47:16
HOT-1 oh really?
05:47:16
HOT-2 ...eight fifty Sierra Mike. eight fifty Sierra Mike is the
same airplane I used to fly back in the late eighties.
05:47:22
HOT-1 oh really.
05:47:22
HOT-2 yeah, early nineties.... I flew it when it had like six
hundred hours on it.... okay, well let's see, what we can do, if you like,
uh, minimum safe altitude in the area is thirty one hundred feet.
05:47:48
HOT-1 'kay.
05:47:50
HOT-2 uh, the ILS is a uh, three degree glideslope. uh, it'll take
us down to a radar altimeter of uh, two hundred feet. or RVR of eighteen,
hundred. and our missed approach procedure is, climb sixteen hundred, then
outbound on the uh, uh, Hobby uh, zero four zero, so it's basically a
straight out to RAYCI intersection which is,
which is fifteen DME, straight ahead. 05:48:30
HOT-1 well you'll have to read that to me after, but initially....
05:48:33
HOT-2 yeah it's sixteen hundred straight ahead. we'll just do it.
just do it just super for you. and then we'll just go out fifteen DME and
hold, and it'll be a teardrop ‘cause it's comin' back into uh, there.... and
as soon as we get the outer mark, uh well, I'll do what you want me to so
when we get to the final approach fix, do you want me to set it to uh,
missed approach altitude then?
05:49:02
HOT-1 yeah.
05:49:03
HOT-2 okay.
05:49:04
HOT-1 there's that big, thing that they're, I think that they're may
have been talking about.

 

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05:49:08
HOT-2 yeah, probably so.... I wonder what Ellington's doing?
05:49:29
HOT-1 probably the same thing. I know that uh....
05:49:31
HOT-2 oh it was when I checked in there.
05:49:33
HOT-1 yeah.
05:49:34
HOT-2 yeah.
05:49:34
HOT-1 Intercontinental's 'bout the same thing.
05:49:36
HOT-2 yeah. pretty much feels just like the simulator, doesn't it?
05:49:49
HOT-1 yeah.
05:49:50
HOT-2 [sound of chuckle] well, how's the BAC doin'?
05:50:00
HOT-1 I don't know. It's supposed to be out uh, hopefully uh, next
week 'cause **....
05:50:05
CTR2 eight five Victor Tango, cleared direct to uh, Houston Hobby,
and descend pilot's discretion to one one thousand. Hobby altimeter's three
zero zero one.
05:50:13
RDO-2 direct to Houston Hobby *. PD to one one thousand uh, thanks a
lot for, five Victor Tango.
05:50:20
HOT-2 okay, I'll get, you already got that. I'll put us down here to
one one. one one is set. and actually Houston Hobby's seventeen one. I'll
set you up there.
05:50:35
CTR2 Gulfstream five Victor Tango, you can expect light occasional
moderate chop on the descent.
05:50:40
RDO-2 Victor Tango, thank you.
05:50:45
HOT-2 seventeen one, seventeen one, so your RMIs will be, same
thing.
05:51:04
HOT-1 does that got a uh, uh, no it's just an outer marker or just
the uh....
05:51:10
HOT-2 no locator.
05:51:10
HOT-1 can you set those in there?
05:51:12
HOT-2 I sure can.... I'd be glad to. E-I-S-E-N, E-I-S-E-N....
E-L-R-EN....
05:52:03
HOT-2 'kay, we're got uh, C-A-R-C-O, C-A-R-C-O, E-L-R-E-N, E-L-R-EN,
E-I-S-E-N, E-I-S-E-N. and then uh, Hobby.
05:52:14
HOT-1 okay. we can probably delete HUB though can't we.
05:52:19
HOT-2 ***, no, oh yeah, yeah we could 'cause we're gonna have that
on here for our missed.
05:52:38
HOT-2 and I, as I remember uh, this is uh....
05:52:41
HOT-1 yeah.
05:52:43
HOT-2 Raytheon.... on the intersection here.
05:52:47
HOT-1 yeah. and where's four?
05:52:51
HOT-2 uh, four is here.
HOT-1 yeah, okay.... initial uh, climb to sixteen hundred?
05:53:06
HOT-2 correct, straight sixteen hundred.
05:53:08
HOT-1 straight out, okay.
05:53:10
HOT-2 uh huh.... what do you figure our weight’s gonna be when we
get down there?
05:53:38
HOT-1 *.
05:53:39
HOT-2 'bout uh, just about, fifty eight?
05:53:46
HOT-1 yeah, hopefully that's what it is.
05:53:47
HOT-2 [sound of a chuckle]
05:53:54
HOT-1 eh, fifty nine it says.
05:53:57
HOT-2 okay, well we'll use uh, maybe just a skosh more than fifty
eight or uh, one thirty two.
05:54:01
HOT-1 but that thing's never right anyway.
05:54:03
HOT-2 okay. nine nine is what does it say is what we have, oh
this....
05:54:07
HOT-1 yeah.
05:54:08
HOT-2 ...around this range now.... all right.... well thirty six is
the ref so....
05:54:17
HOT-1 'kay.
05:54:17
HOT-2 ...for fifty eight but....
05:54:19
HOT-1 thirty six. oh lordy, ah, thirty six, thirty six, okay....
okay, let's ease 'er on down now.
05:54:28
HOT-2 'kay.
05:54:29
HOT-1 descent check....
05:54:30
RDO-2 Gulfstream eight five Victor Tango's uh, leaving two nine zero
for one one zero, one one thousand.
05:54:35
CTR2 five Victor Tango, thanks.
05:54:58
HOT-1 whoa.... don't see that out there.
05:55:09
HOT-2 no, I sure didn't.
05:55:10
HOT-1 unless it's that one over there.
05:55:11
HOT-2 yeah, it could be. you know how light travels in the uh, in
the moisture here.
05:55:15
HOT-1 yeah.
05:55:19
HOT-? naw, naw.... naw....
05:55:33
http://www.aero-news.net/# HOT-1
descent checklist when you get to it.
05:55:34
HOT-2 you gotcha. you got it.
05:55:47
HOT-2 CBs?
05:55:49
HOT-1 that must be that CB panel.
05:55:50
HOT-2 eeeh, probably.
05:55:52
HOT-2 CB floods?
05:55:53
HOT-1 yeah.
05:55:53
HOT-2 yeah, there you go.
05:55:54
HOT-1 everything looks good on that side.
05:55:56
HOT-2 okay, looks good over there.... and pressurization. we're
gonna bring that puppy on down to, forty four.
05:56:37
HOT-2 three double oh one is set in here, three double oh one is set
up there.... 'kay, cabin controller is set. engine anti, anti-ice and it
looks like we got about a minus....
05:57:01
HOT-1 get that.
05:57:02
HOT-2 four or five.
05:57:03
HOT-1 landing.
05:57:04
HOT-2 I got it. * thank you. anti-ice uh, you know if you want it or
not or....
05:57:11
HOT-1 uuuuh.
05:57:12
HOT-2 whatever you want to do.
05:57:12
HOT-1 put the engines on.
05:57:13
HOT-2 okay.
05:57:31
HOT-2 'kay, engine anti-ice on. AOA and bugs are set. fuel quantity
is good as we're gonna get it. shoulder harnesses are on. boost pumps are
all four on. anti-skid is still on. engine temp controls are guarded. and
uh, warning lights....
05:57:49
HOT-1 that's okay.
05:57:49
HOT-2 okay, you got it.
05:57:50
HOT-1 just let 'em go.
05:57:51
HOT-2 got it. okay, we're standing by in-range.
HOT-1 okay.
05:57:55
CTR2 November eight Victor Tango, how was your ride coming through
there?
05:57:58
RDO-2 uuuh, a little bumpy. uuuh * probably light to ***
intermittent uh, just light to almost moderate.
05:58:07
CTR2 thanks.
05:58:09
RDO-2 smoothed out now though.
05:58:11
CTR2 rog.
05:58:32
CTR2 * five Victor Tango, contact Houston approach, one three two
point two five, good day.
05:58:37
RDO-2 'kay uh, thirty two twenty five for uh, Victor Tango. thank
you.
05:58:46
HOT [sound similar to frequency change alert]
05:58:50
RDO-2 and approach uh, Hawker, correction, Gulfstream eight five
Victor Tango's with you out of one eight zero for one one thousand,
information Kilo.
05:58:59
APR eight five Victor Tango, Houston approach, roger. let's uh,
proceed direct to CARCO when you're able for the ILS runway four.
05:59:06
RDO-2 'kay direct to CARCO when uh, we're able to do that uh, ILS
runway one four. thanks.
05:59:13
HOT-1 what happened to it?
05:59:14
HOT-2 uuh, I don't know. there it is.... direct to CARCO. so that's
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05:59:37
HOT-1 spoke too soon.
05:59:38
HOT-2 yes we did.
05:59:42
HOT-1 * rain.
05:59:42
HOT-2 yeah, glad we got the....
05:59:59
HOT-1 aw, come on. don't do that to me.
06:00:10
HOT-2 wow.
06:00:21
HOT-1 two seven. that's, that's Intercontinental isn't it?
06:00:24
HOT-2 uuh, I don't know. * tell you the truth.
06:00:27
HOT-1 think it is.
06:00:27
HOT-2 oh, is it?
06:00:51
HOT-1 okay forty eight ****...
06:01:00
HOT-2 all right well the next one I suspect's gonna be tower
eighteen seven. eighteen seven, set. set you one oh nine, nine.
06:01:30
HOT-2 comin' up on one thousand to go.
06:01:32
HOT-1 roger.... you'd think if was raining it the fog wouldn't
be....
06:01:43
HOT-2 I know it. but it may not be raining there.
06:01:46
HOT-1 yeah * probably true.
06:01:52
HOT-1 twelve for eleven.
06:01:52
HOT [sound similar to altitude alert signal]
06:02:07
HOT-2 now if you want Ford, from the outer marker inbound or so from
the final approach fix, I'll keep my eyes outside for you an, and then uh,
we're lookin' for two hundred and forty four on the altimeter and that'll
give us two hundred or if we see anything. that'd be, what if I see ground
contact, I'll just let you, I'll call it out....
06:02:26
HOT-1 okay.
06:02:27
HOT-2 and you uh...
06:02:30
HOT-1 I'll probably will stay on the gauges all the way down.
06:02:32
HOT-2 yeah, until we get right ready for flare.
06:02:36
HOT-1 yep, that'll be a bit.
06:02:50
HOT-1 eeh, don't do that to me.
06:02:58
HOT-2 what, the altitude uh, oh, there. either the light, light must
have just gone out, huh?
06:03:05
HOT-1 no, it was, it just went off.
06:03:08
HOT-2 oh.
06:03:09
HOT-1 it does that sometimes.
06:03:10
HOT-2 okay.
06:03:17
HOT-1 okay, # I see some lights. looks like we're out of the rain
showers.
06:03:23
HOT-2 yeah, it does. you want the engine anti-ice off?
06:03:26
HOT-1 yeah please.
06:03:27
HOT-2 'kay, off.... you know it looks good right over there. you can
see the lights of the city over there.
06:03:52
HOT-1 yep.
06:03:52
HOT-2 at about the uh, ten o'clock.
06:03:54
HOT-1 yep.
06:04:00
HOT-2 I think with your skill and cunning Ford, I have all the
confidence in the world **.
06:04:03
HOT-1 [sound of chuckle]... well it's certainly a challenge but
that's why they pay me the big bucks.

 

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06:04:14
HOT-2 that's right, that's right.
06:04:18
HOT-1 I could've stayed home. stayed in bed.
06:04:20
HOT-2 [sound of chuckle] yeah, oh, you wouldn't wanna do that. just
think. you might run into traffic if it was later on.
06:04:30
HOT-1 that's true.
06:04:31
HOT-2 gotta look at the brighter side of things.... I suppose I
ought to be flying **. stupid me. if we can get in, I suppose I oughta be
giving those guys a call. thirty fifty seven.
06:05:05
APR Gulfstream five Victor Tango descend and maintain three
thousand.
06:05:08
RDO-2 five Victor Tango, three thousand.
06:05:10
HOT-2 three thousand uh, comin' up.
06:05:13
HOT-1 three thousand.
06:05:16
CAM [sound of tone similar to auto-pilot disconnect signal]
06:05:17
HOT-2 we've got no passengers obviously now, do you want me to give
uh, Raytheon a call just in case?
06:05:23
HOT-1 uh, yeah.
06:05:23
HOT-2 okay. I will give them a call on thirty seventy five. I'm off
number two.
06:05:25
CAM [sound of horn]
06:05:27
HOT-1 and we'll need uh, fuel.
06:05:28
HOT-2 yeah.
06:05:30
RDO-2 and Raytheon, Houston Hobby, Gulfstream eight five Victor
Tango.
06:05:38
RAY eight five Victor Tango, Raytheon Hobby.
06:05:41
RDO-2 yeah, Raytheon Hobby ******. [end of this transmission was
overridden by ATC transmission]
06:05:52
RAY all right. how much fuel?
06:05:55
HOT-1 I don't know.
06:05:56
HOT-2 you're gonna top it.
06:05:56
HOT-1 we'll let her know. we'll let her know. yeah.
06:06:00
RDO-2 **** passengers coming should be departing about seven or so.
**** thank you.
06:06:09
HOT-2 back. back with you.
06:06:12
HOT-1 'kay.
06:06:41
HOT-2 *. see the towers.
06:06:43
HOT-1 yeah.
06:06:51
HOT-1 actually I can see more over here than I can over on the north
side.
06:06:53
HOT-2 yeah.... wow. now that's not lookin' too bad unless it's
laying right smack dab on the ground.
06:07:05
HOT-1 yeah.
06:07:20
HOT-1 well we're going right to....
06:07:23
HOT-2 *** going right to CARCO which is....
06:07:25
HOT-1 outer marker?
06:07:26
HOT-2 ...and well, there is no marker really, but it's fift....
that'll give me a fifteen point seven DME out of Hobby.
06:07:32
HOT-1 okay.
06:07:33
HOT-2 'kay. so Hobby's going to be right over there.
06:07:41
HOT-1 hmmm.
06:07:58
HOT-2 eighteen seven oughta be tower. shouldn't have anything * do
there.
06:08:18
HOT-1 yeah, they do have some towers out there.
06:08:18
HOT-2 boy they do, don't they.... boy those look tall.
06:08:41
HOT-1 yeah they do. you'd think they wouldn't let people build
towers that high out here.
06:08:55
HOT-2 yeah they're, I'll bet they're eighteen, I'll bet they're
almost two thousand feet.
06:08:59
HOT-1 I'll bet they are. four for three.
06:09:00
HOT-2 okay, one thou, one thousand to go.
06:09:13
HOT-2 as soon as you're squared away, I'll go ahead and set your CDI
up to your inbound course of zero three nine degrees.
06:09:19
HOT-1 okay.
06:09:27
HOT-1 [sound of sigh]
06:09:33
HOT-2 in in-range is done. before landing, engine sync. you got off.
'kay, reverse restow. and we can wait on that 'til you get there.
06:10:32
HOT-2 'kay, five miles uuh, from CARCO.
06:10:42
HOT-? [sound of sigh]
06:10:43
APR Gulfstream eight five Victor Tango, eight miles from EISEN. turn
left heading zero seven zero. maintain two thousand or above 'til
established localizer. cleared ILS runway four approach.
06:10:52
RDO-2 'kay zero seven zero and uh, maintain two thousand 'til
established. cleared for the ILS uh, runway four approach at Houston
Hobby, thanks.
06:11:00
HOT-2 'kay, two thousand. I'll get you set up there. you're....
zero....
06:11:09
HOT-1 and we're cleared to two thousand?
06:11:10
HOT-2 ...zero three nine. correct.
06:11:13
HOT-2 zero three nine is our inbound. we're uh, localizer's alive.
06:11:18
HOT-1 uh, okay.
06:11:19
HOT-2 and uh....
06:11:20
HOT-1 flaps ten.
06:11:21
HOT-2 okay uh, reverse re-stow. flaps ten selected. flaps moving.
06:11:31
HOT-2 and, brake accumulator's coming up.
06:11:39
HOT-2 oh, I see. Houston Hobby's right in the middle of the....
06:11:41
APR Gulfstream eight five Victor Tango, contact Hobby tower one one
eight point seven. we'll see you.
06:11:45
RDO-2 eighteen seven. thanks a lot.
06:11:47
RDO-2 hope we don't see you right away.
06:11:48
http://www.aero-news.net/# HOT-2 [sound
of chuckle]
06:11:48
APR *.
06:11:50
HOT [sound of tone similar to frequency change alert]
06:11:57
RDO-2 and uh, Hou, Hobby tower, Gulfstream eight five Victor Tango
is uh, with you on the ILS.
06:12:04
TWR Eagle flight five seventy four standby on that readback. you're
cutting out. other people calling on frequencies here.
06:12:05
HOT-1 flaps twenty.
06:12:06
HOT-2 flaps, flaps twenty.
06:12:09
TWR Gulfstream eight five Victor Tango Hobby tower, wind calm,
runway four, cleared to land.
06:12:11
RDO-2 calm, runway four, cleared to land, ** uh, eight five Victor
Tango. thank you.
06:12:15
HOT-1 what's the RVR?
06:12:17
HOT-2 uh, I'll ask him.
06:12:23
HOT-1 I can't get * approach mode on my thing.
06:12:26
HOT-2 I can't get an approach mode on mine either. uuh, I wonder
why?
06:12:31
RDO-2 and what's the uh, RVR now for eight five Victor Tango?
06:12:40
HOT-1 * gear down, before landing.
06:12:41
HOT-2 okay.
06:12:42
CAM [sound similar to landing gear being operated]
06:12:43
TWR Gulfstream eight five Victor Tango, runway four RVR one thousand
six hundred.
06:12:47
RDO-2 okay, one thousand six hundred. thank you.
06:12:50
HOT-2 okay, three in the green. no reds. we got ** checked. that's
on.
06:12:56
HOT-1 #.
06:12:57.2
HOT-2 gear down. yeah, what the # wrong with this ** ....
06:13:03.0
HOT-1 I don't know.
06:13:03.9
HOT-2 ... what do we have, what do we have set wrong. we have uh,
long range nav or something down here that we shouldn't have?
06:13:08.7
HOT-1 * got nav.... VOR one.
06:13:13.5
HOT-2 'kay, we're high on the glide slope now.
06:13:16.3
HOT-1 'kay. okay um....
06:13:19.2
HOT [sound similar to altitude alerter]
06:13:21.1
HOT-1 uuh, * just gonna have to do it this way.
06:13:24.0
HOT-2 guess so. yeah you're on glide slope now.
06:13:25.9
HOT-1 'kay.
06:13:26.8
HOT-2 and nutcracker has been checked. ground spoilers are on.
hydraulic, hydraulic pressure is good. taxi lights, are on.
0613:30.7
HOT-1 okay.
06:13:36.4
HOT-2 ignition is unguarded.
06:13:44.0
HOT-1 and we're going down to two forty four?
06:13:48.8
HOT-2 * yeah, two forty four. I'm gonna put sixteen hundred on here
which is our missed approach altitude.
06:13:53.6
HOT-1 all right.
06:13:56.5
HOT [sound similar to altitude alerter]
06:13:57.4
HOT-2 and uh....
06:13:59.3
HOT-1 oh my, what'd you do to me?
06:14:01.2
HOT-2 uuuuh.
06:14:02.2
HOT-1 ah, now I got it.
06:14:03.1
HOT-2 now you got it.
06:14:05.0
HOT-1 whoa #. what happened? did you change my frequency?
06:14:09.8
HOT-2 yeah we were down there. we had the, the VOR freq, the VOR
frequency was on.
06:14:12.7
HOT-1 oh #.
06:14:15.6
HOT-2 * we're all squared away now.
06:14:16.5
HOT-1 yeah but.
06:14:17.5
HOT-2 you got it.
06:14:18.4
HOT-1 yeah, but I, I don't know if I can get back on it, in time.
06:14:23.2
HOT-2 yeah you will.
06:14:26.1
HOT-2 you're squared away now.
06:14:28.9
HOT-1 here we go.
06:14:31.8
HOT-2 okay, I'm, I'm outside.
06:14:40.4
HOT-2 okay, comin' up on two forty four.
06:14:42.3
HOT-1 'kay, give me full flaps.
06:14:43.3
TWR Gulfstream eight five Victor Tango....
06:14:45.2
HOT-2 'kay, up, up. up, up, up, up, up.
06:14:45.2
TWR ...check your altitude. altitude indicates four hundred feet.
06:14:47.1
END of RECORDING
END of TRANSCRIPT


FMI: www.ntsb.gov

 

[Cardinal]

Why was the FO continually reassuring the CA, even when the CA and pilot flying felt things were screwed up? That dude had diarreha of the mouth.

 

[ms6073]

Not to try afix any blame, just found it chilling to read the part of the transcript in which the non-flying pilot apparently programs the FMS :

HOT-2 seventeen one, seventeen one, so your RMIs will be, same
thing.
05:51:04
HOT-1 does that got a uh, uh, no it's just an outer marker or just
the uh....
05:51:10
HOT-2 no locator.
05:51:10
HOT-1 can you set those in there?
05:51:12
HOT-2 I sure can.... I'd be glad to. E-I-S-E-N, E-I-S-E-N....
E-L-R-EN....
05:52:03
HOT-2 'kay, we're got uh, C-A-R-C-O, C-A-R-C-O, E-L-R-E-N, E-L-R-EN,
E-I-S-E-N, E-I-S-E-N. and then uh, Hobby.
05:52:14
HOT-1 okay. we can probably delete HUB though can't we.
05:52:19
HOT-2 ***, no, oh yeah, yeah we could 'cause we're gonna have that
on here for our missed.

Approach plate (NOAA - may not be current): http://www.myairplane.com/databases/approach/pdfs/00198I4.PDF

Note:
HUB - 117.1 (VOR)
I-HUB - LOC (109.9)

CARCO Intersection - 15.7 DME I-HUB
ELREN - 8.7 DME I-HUB
EISEN Int - 5.8 (FAF) I-HUB)

In relation to this approach, the VOR is offset to the left of the runway at the back end of the airfield. If the crew was flying with the NAVs tuned (and a centered CDI) tuned to the VOR, that would explain the aircrafts offset on the approach, but not the descent below mins although both mentioned a lack of vertical course guidance not long before the transcript ends.

 

[Big Duke Six]

I must admit, it's sometimes hard to make the go around decision. I've probably landed out of an approach I shouldn't have continued. But this just reinforces the idea that if your gut is saying "Go Around", then go around and sort it out in the air.

 

[enigma]

Thanks for the post 2000flyer.

This accident makes me realize how blessed I have been in my career. I was able to fly one Lear for most of my Lear time, and even though my current employers MD80 fleet is not exactly standard, they are all close enough to
have allowed me to avoid this kind of deal.

It would seem that a lack of familiarity with the aircraft killed these guys.

I wonder if this will result in a new rule requiring 135 operators to maintain fleet standardization?

RIP Brothers,
enigma

BTW, BigDuke6. I think that they were just about to start a go around. Unfortunately, they didn't figure out the improper programming until a little too late.

 

[2000flyer]

After re-reading the transcript a couple of times, one of the gnawing feelings I have is that the pilot flying didn't seem familiar with the aircraft. Instead of recognizing the error, he stammered around a bit leaving me with the feeling his eyes were searching the panel looking for a frequency or mode control. The NFP, however, was confident throughout the hole procedure up until the end..."you're squared away now." It just makes me wonder how current or proficient the FP was and how easy it was to talk him into continuing a seriously flawed approach. The guy must have some good experience as it sounded as if his "day job" was flying a BAC.

I don't know about the rest of you but in my book (and practice), any...ANY...time you're inside the FAF and something out of the usual distracts you enough to start asking questions, GO MISSED! The FP in this accident had internal alarms going off time and time again and yet he continued. Why? And, the NFP...the instant he changed the frequencies from VOR to LOC, especially without telling the FP BEFORE he did so, is grounds for immediate missed approach.

I won't try and second guess the quality of either pilot. However, from the get-go, this was a "we're gonna land" approach considering immediately after receiving the ATIS they began talking about tower "giving them a break," and telling tales of days gone by when they made it in at other times in their lives.

2000Flyer

 

[slowto250]

Enigma is spot on, in his/her observations. Flight safety's long standing motto about the best safety device in any A/C being a well trained pilot just doesn't cover all the bases. Time in type is an even better measure of safety, but time in specific aircraft with identical equipment installation, or a singular tail number, trumps all.

This accident really hits home. Unfortunately, we'll never see any regulatory changes to prevent this scenario from occuring again and again.
Why ? Because to achieve this familiarity, operators would have to hire more pilots and spend more money. In the money vs. safety equation, money always wins.

 

[Daveman]

Thanks 2000flyer, I'm in total agreement with your assessment.
I am still puzzled why they continued with the vis at 1/4.
I may have missed it in the transcript.???