Houston G3 crash info

[gern_blanston]

I took a bunch of grief from the sim instructor last year at FSI recurrent because I ID'd the navs prior to a single-engine ILS. "You guys are way too busy to be f#(king around with that $h!t. You don't need to do that in this day of FMS's. The airplane knows where it is." Seriously.
We had a quite a discussion at the debrief. It's part of our SOP to ID the doggone things. It doesn't cost a cent, and you can do it in 10 seconds. Saved us from embarassment (or worse) going in to Toronto one night a couple years ago after 3 runway swaps with approach control. The nav freq's only got changed twice, and Captain Bob ID'd 'em 10 miles out and said, "Hey, something's wrong here."
Good cheap insurance!

 

[GV-Ace]

I took a bunch of grief from the sim instructor last year at FSI recurrent because I ID'd the navs prior to a single-engine ILS. "You guys are way too busy to be f#(king around with that $h!t. You don't need to do that in this day of FMS's. The airplane knows where it is." Seriously.
We had a quite a discussion at the debrief. It's part of our SOP to ID the doggone things. It doesn't cost a cent, and you can do it in 10 seconds. Saved us from embarassment (or worse) going in to Toronto one night a couple years ago after 3 runway swaps with approach control. The nav freq's only got changed twice, and Captain Bob ID'd 'em 10 miles out and said, "Hey, something's wrong here."
Good cheap insurance!

Most modern jets will ID the station for you without having to listen to it. The GV does, and I would imagine the F200 would for you too if you look into it.

 

[gern_blanston]

The NZ-equipped F2TH does not auto-tune or ID the navs.

 

[some_dude]

Are you saying it doesn't display the ident somewhere on the EFIS, if the facility is DME-equipped? I find that very hard to believe. Even the lame first generation EFIS units that I've been using recently do that.

Hell, some non-EFIS DME units will do that.

The NZ-equipped F2TH does not auto-tune or ID the navs.

 

[gern_blanston]

OK, my bad. What I meant was that our EFIS does not necessarily give you the currently tuned VHF nav ID, while the Morse-Code identifier always does. Our EFIS shows the ID of the VHF nav that the DME is locked on to. It sometimes locks onto a neighboring localizer with the same freq until you're in close, and, of course, if you've got 'DME hold' engaged, it displays the the 'held' ID. In this situation, a crew could be looking at something different from what they think they're seeing, especially at the end of a long day. For example an airport where you hold the VOR DME to get distance fixes on the approach. So what the EFIS is showing varies from approach to approach. This is just one of the little things that our SOP's take into account. If the localizer doesn't have DME, we discuss holding the dme if approriate. Otherwise, the call is 'FMS distance', and we always ID the navs.