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[GV-Ace]

I think Viffer is very correct in his observations. I know a guy flying a BE350 probably making as much if not more than most mid-size jet captains. He is happy with his pay, his locale, and his QOL in general. Go to the regional board and find me 10 guys that will all attest that they are 110% happy with their current situations. If you find the perfect job, and it isnt flying a BBJ, that doesnt make you a bad pilot. Guys that think "they are the sh*t because they fly ..... and that guy only flies ......" usually have smaller d*cks anyhow.

OK, calm down guys. I knew this would raise the hair on the back of some necks, especially the aforementioned ones.



Reaching the ‘top’ of the industry is not just about money or satisfaction. Those things are great, but they are not the ‘top’. You might find a proctologist that is home more nights and might even make more than a brain surgeon at Mayo, but come on guys, it’s obvious which one reached the top of his industry. If it’s just about money and days at home, GET A DIFFERENT JOB!



I am judging from 35 years of personal experience. There are some exeptions, but this is the rule. Yes, a 25 year veteran commuter pilot may be happy (and may be home every night), but EVERYONE knows the 777 Captain rose to the top. Let’s get real.

 

[flyguy75000]

Sounds like you have "Big airplane, little penis" syndrome. Get over yourself and your Gulfstream. You arent at the top of your industry. The guy that makes it to the end of his career with his life and enough cash to live comfortably wins.

Did a 777 capt. rise to the top, or was he lucky as hell to avoid furlough, bankruptcy, strikes, etc? He was born at the right time, hired at the right time, and had fate on his side the whole time. Whats your thought on a guy who is 59 flying a MD80, as senior as can be, but his airline doesnt have a 777? He didnt make it to the top, did he?

I guess you didnt either. Flying a little Gulfstream.

The CEO's of the airlines and the a/c manufacturers are at the top of the industry. We just work for them.

 

[Indapool]

Gulfstream = light twin

Get over yourself

 

[GV-Ace]

Sounds like you have "Big airplane, little penis" syndrome. Get over yourself and your Gulfstream. You arent at the top of your industry. The guy that makes it to the end of his career with his life and enough cash to live comfortably wins.

Did a 777 capt. rise to the top, or was he lucky as hell to avoid furlough, bankruptcy, strikes, etc? He was born at the right time, hired at the right time, and had fate on his side the whole time. Whats your thought on a guy who is 59 flying a MD80, as senior as can be, but his airline doesnt have a 777? He didnt make it to the top, did he?

I guess you didnt either. Flying a little Gulfstream.

The CEO's of the airlines and the a/c manufacturers are at the top of the industry. We just work for them.

Yes, m'boy, that is reality. Luck, being in the right place at the right time, having the skills, etc. is all part of rising to the top of your industry. I've never claimed to be at the top, yet. But I doubt Chuck Yeager would be flying crop dusters (I think he got to fly the space shuttle when he was about 80!) I don't know when or how you decided to get into my pants, but if you can't come up with a good rebuttal on subject, then maybe you shouldn't post. I understand it is difficult for some to argue logic, but, c'mon, you certainly can do better than that.

 

[User546]

Yes, a 25 year veteran commuter pilot may be happy (and may be home every night), but EVERYONE knows the 777 Captain rose to the top. Let’s get real.

Yea, lets get real. The 777 Captain worked his way up thru seniority, and arguably nothing else. Stay in the airline game long enough, you will be on the top rung eventually if they want too (barring any incidents, or arguments!).

Corporate flying is much along the same lines as "Office Life". The one who knows the best people, and plays the best politics, will eventually get the best jobs and fly the best airplanes. It isn't impossible for a 1,500 hour pilot to get in the right seat of a Gulfstream or Global, just because he knows that RIGHT person. But when he begins flying, do you think that makes him better then the 14,000 hour Captain sitting next to him? Not even remotely. Yet he's flying a plane that most high time pilots dream of flying.

Gulfstream pilots are no better then a Lear pilot. Sure your planes are more expensive, and might weigh a few pounds more, but in the end, you guys all navigate the same airways (figurativily speaking), takeoff from the same airports, push the throttle levers the same direction, and fly thru the same weather just as long with the big and small guys. That does NOT make you special.

High time pilots, I respect them, and this is nothing personal towards them. But an airplane is an airplane for all its worth, whether it be a Citation or a BBJ. Sounds to me like people that think different are the same people that look to society to determine whether or not they've made it and are successful.

Blugh...

 

[GV-Ace]

..but in the end, you guys all navigate the same airways (figurativily speaking), takeoff from the same airports, push the throttle levers the same direction, and fly thru the same weather just as long with the big and small guys.

Not true. I don't see many Lears and Citations flying the Atlantic and Pacific routes. The pilots that have risen to the top DO fly to more international airports, fly over the Pole, etc., but that isn't the point. Whether it be by luck, seniority, money, whatever, a C-525 is NOT the top of our industry! Sorry! I loved flying Citations, but I moved on. Look, anyone can do what they want, go teach some billionare how to fly a 172 for all I care, but that is NOT what anyone would consider the top of the corporate jet industry. And, I agree, there are some pilots flying left seat in a large, transcontenental jet that shouldn't be there, but all of the pilots that I've met that have high time and are still in a small(er) plane, have SOMETHING wrong with their flying or their personality.

 

[English]

...all of the pilots that I've met that have high time and are still in a small(er) plane, have SOMETHING wrong with their flying or their personality.

You really should get out more, then.

I understand the point you are making, but the blanket statement just doesn't fit every pilot.

I used to fly a 737. I quit that job to go back to flying a Citation. I wasn't furloughed, wasn't asked to resign, didn't have problems in training, etc. But using your logic, my decision means something is wrong with my flying abilities or my personality.

I recently turned down a Gulfstream III captain position - TWICE. I'd rather fly short legs and be home most nights. Wanting to fly short legs means something is wrong with my personality? No, it just means some pilots have different goals than others. We aren't all trying to attain the same goals.

 

[HowlinMadMurdoc]

I'd rather fly short legs and be home most nights. Wanting to fly short legs means something is wrong with my personality? No, it just means some pilots have different goals than others. We aren't all trying to attain the same goals.

Hear, hear! Getting into a large transport airplane, taking-off, and then sitting there for 8+ hrs flying ONE leg is B-O-R-I-N-G. I'm with English on this one - I'd rather fly short legs and sleep in my own bed every night.

To each their own...for GV-Ace, he wants to see the world. More power to ya! Just don't belittle those of us that choose different. For me, QOL (read: being at home a lot) is far more important than flying around the globe. And, I have the skill/personality to fly given I'm already flying a transport category aircraft requiring two pilots. So get off your high-horse.

HMM

 

[flyguy75000]

I bet you drive a European sports car too, right GV? Like I said, he's got little c*ck syndrome. Besides, at this level, no one really flies an airplane for more than 10 minutes a trip anyhow, so how are you at the top of the corporate jet industry? I thought it was an aviation industry. But what do I know, I only fly an airplane that carries one less pax. than your "Industry-topping" Gulfstream. It's the guys like you that got your a$$ whooped in high school.

Its also guys with your attitude that become a smoking hole in the ground. Sorry, but its true. Get over yourself. If you owned that Gulfstream, maybe you'd get more respect from us.

 

[GV-Ace]

I bet you drive a European sports car too, right GV? Like I said, he's got little c*ck syndrome.

You really should talk to someone about this...