Houston Area Merlin Copilot

[mjmcint]

I thought some of you guys might have interest in this.

MJ


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Applications are being accepted for qualified pilots with turbine experience. Our Houston Hooks Based Corporation currently operates a Merlin IIIB and is planning on adding a second. Members of our copilot pool will receive priority consideration for pilot positions in our future aircraft. We are also accepting resumes for non-compensated copilots interested in gaining turbine experience. Candidates must have at least a multi-engine commercial certificate and a class II medical. Interested pilots should submit a resume with a cover letter to [email protected].

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[FracCapt]

We are also accepting resumes for non-compensated copilots interested in gaining turbine experience.

Unfortunately, there will be too many people interested in THAT!

 

[IP076]

I guess "non-compensated" is better that "pay to play"...

 

[aroundtheblock]

Another quality company trying to exploit pilots. If you need pilots then pay them. I've been looking for a professional insurred maid to come clean my house for free, but as of yet, no takers. If your airplane is single pilot certificated and your insurance does not require 2 pilots and your normal ops is single pilot, then you maybe doing someone a favor. If this is not the case quit patting yourself on the back or come clean my house.

 

[mjmcint]

FYI,

This is a single pilot op with no second pilot required by insurance. I do my best to get money for these guys when I can. The trips usually intail 3-4 days expenses paid at some beach resort in Mexico or the Caribbean. It is a shame to let the seat go empty when I as an MEI can help someone get experience. I am with you all on the whole PFT thing, but I am doing what I can.

MJ

 

[aroundtheblock]

Question:

Why are you accepting resumes for an unpaid pilot position but you are requiring these "applicants" to have a current 2nd class medical. Last I checked a 2nd class medical was needed only when flying for hire. This doesn't seem to be the case here.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I'm just trying to keep our next generation of pilots from being exploited by these "come fly for us for free, we're doing it all for you" companies. `If you are one of these one in a million dream career advancement opportunities then my sincere apologies. I've seen your ad on Avcrew.com and it omits the no compensation part.

 

[mjmcint]

Look man, see my post above. We don't NEED anyone. We have an availability. If we are going to let someone in our cockpit, we have the right to pick what qualifications we would like them to have. I want to help people with a professional attitude get some additional experience. No one has to apply. There would not be a paid position if we didn't have any pilots interested in the non compensated position. I knew this was going to be a can of worms, but I have an empty seat. Someone can use the extra experience or they can't. I would have appreciated this opportunity has a newer pilot and that is why we are making it available. Please note. AVCREW was given the same ad as everyone alse and they made the changes without permission.

MJ

 

[Gulfstream 200]

While your intentions may be good...you are dead a$$ wrong.

If you want someone to sit there at the resort with you, get a girlfriend or a buddy to go.

If you want a qualified pilot to fly with you - PAY THEM SOMETHING.

If your boss wont pay a few bucks for the safety of 2 qualified crewmembers -- he gets ONE and takes his chances.


You are doing NOBODY favors here...

 

[mjmcint]

Dude, can you read? There are two options here. For qualified Merlin pilots there is pay. For non-qualified pilots, there is opportunity. Take the 13th step off your high horse.

MJ

 

[mjmcint]

By the way Gulfstream 200, what was the comment about some one to sit on a beach with me for? That is rediculous. I'm sure that you received pay for all of the flight instruction and experience that you got. I am equally as sure that you speak for all of your pilot brothers and sisters that have Multi/comm/Inst tickets and 1000 tt with 50 ME. I'm sure people are lining up left and right to get these guys in their right seat. I am the guy at the airport that has an empty seat. I remember when I was building time, I would have appreciated any experience that I could get. Not only am I making the seat available for "non-qualified" pilots, I am putting the word out that I am doing so. You can infer whatever you choose, but I am not going to pay someone to teach them turbine multi corporate ops.

MJ

 

[Throttlebender]

Well put. I think that most pilots that don't have the required time for a paid position surely appreciate opportunities like this. I did. It's one of the few ways to gain the experience which allows you to get paid later on.
I've offered the empty seat in my Navajo to several friends who were working up their multi time and it's been beneficial to all of us. It allows them much needed experience and it nice for me to have another set of eyes up there. Having someone to talk with also really cuts down on the boredom.
Keep it up.

 

[cvoav8r]

hhhmmmm....

LOSER!!

 

[CorpJetPilot]

Mjmcint,

I think what you are doing is noble. When I was flying the F-90, I had people swarming around looking for "free" time and were D@#$@#$mn happy to ride, without complaint, when I had an empty seat. Kudos.

 

[aroundtheblock]

I agree to a point. If during the F-90 they were swarming, then why does this guy have to pay to post such "openings" (avcrew)? And what's up with the interview? How bad will someone feel when they are rejected for something that is "free" or "out of the kindness of one's heart"? Is this particular "opportunity" such a great deal and if so why do you need to apply. I thought people would be swarming.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

why not pay 75 or 100 bucks a day for a qualified guy??

"dude"..



yeah, you're doing people a "favor"...

but hey....whatever....glad I never had to resort to that $hit. - guess maybe it gets guys primed for Gulfpuke airlines or something similar!

 

[scubabri]

It seems to me that if you just asked around the airport(s) that you are at that you would find more than enough willing and qualified pilots needing to build time.

It seems pretty odd to me that you are posting here to get "qualified" co-pilots, which means that you are looking for someone that can be a "co-pilot" and not just a seat warmer, which seems to me that that position should get some pay.

IMHO.

sb

 

[CorpJetPilot]

Look,

I'm not trying to get in the middle of a firefight here, but (correct me if I'm wrong MJ), if all of you will go back to his first post, it says they are planning on adding another airplane. Just as I did in the F-90, they are looking for qualified Merlin pilots. To my knowledge, not exactly an abundance. A couple of months as a copilot, learning the ropes, etc. Doesn't sound bad to me. Think about when you were salivating over time way back when....wouldn't you have ridden in a turbine powered aircraft for nothing?

 

[Gulfstream 200]

nope. never did, never will.

 

[CorpJetPilot]

Well, I'm certainly happy you are financially stable enough not to have to make some sacrifices. Not everyone is that fortunate. Believe it or not, there are people who would jump at the chance. Why don't you leave them be.

 

[mjmcint]

Guys,

Geesh! what a friggin mess. Lets take it from the beginning. If you are an interest pilot with Merlin experience (insurance acceptable), and are a good fit for us, we will have a paid position for you. This position will also lead to priority consideration when the new plane is purchased. This position is designed to help us find the right pilot for our new plane.
Also, on a seperate note, because we often have an available right seat we are making it available for non-qualified pilots to get experience. That is the non compensated position. we would like to spread the wealth. That is why we tacked that ad on for many to see.

If you have a problem with that...BITE ME!

MJ

By the way Gulfstream 200, if you are trying to get us to believe that you have never flown in a plane simply for the additional experience, you are either unfortunate, a moron or a liar. Which ever I am deeply sorry for you.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Its now "unfortunate" that I have never flown for free????

Who's the moron here?

guess Im missing something.

anyways...this is old and we are simply not on the same page (or book for that matter) and thats OK.

"BITE ME" ????.....um....OK....???

nonetheless - good luck to ya!

 

[mjmcint]

Perhaps we are not on the same page. I appreciate your ending tone. It showed some class.

Good luck to you too,

MJ

 

[flyboy]

This is hilarious. It never fails, there are a certain amount of high and mighties out there that are just looking for the chance to scrutinize something like this. The whole "i'm not working for free thing." You know what, this industry sucks. The ladder to the top sucks. There's no easy way of doing this thing. G200, I don't think you understand the concept here. Sometimes (if you ever plan on making a career in this business) you have to bite the bullet and take the ride along. For example, I recieved a call from a former student the other day asking if I wanted to fly with him on a 450 mile trip in a T182RG. I could have said, "we'll if you pay me $30 per hour" and had him say "dude, I'm just trying to do you a favor by helping you build time. If you take my good graces of offering you flight time that you say you desperately need and demand money, then good ridance to you." Then I'm 7 hours short in my logbook and all I do that day is sit here on this computer on this stupid forrum. Who is dumb then?
All I am saying is, sometimes, you gotta do what you gotta do. Otherwise, find another job assembling typewriters. 10 years from now when I look back on this time in my life, I'll see that I did what I had to do to get me where I am then. A house in a nice neighborhood (not an apartment), a job I enjoy and a salary that can sustain me (without having to work 3 jobs). That is worth it.

 

[aroundtheblock]

Good luck using any of this "ride along time". If you are using it to try for an airline job someday most airlines won't accept it. They have redefined PIC as the pilot who signed for the aircraft and is ultimately responsible for the safety of the flight. If you want to take someone along to keep you company that's fine. The weird thing to me was that he was taking resumes. If the company truely flies single pilot then these low time pilots who are riding along for free would not have, most likely, what the company or the insurance company is looking for in a near future captain. If there is a new multi rated pilot who might just want to see what it's like to fly in something bigger than a Seneca, then cool, go for it. I just again feel sorry for the new upcoming pilot who applies to ride for free but gets turned down but he isn't competitive with the other ride-a-longers.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

"Flyboy"

You are right..... I certainly do not understand the concept here.

I will keep all that in mind if I ever plan on making this a career.


eh...F*** IT.... I give up.


--whak!-- (my head against a wall.)

 

[FlyChicaga]

I did something like this. A couple times in fact. Rode along in a turbine powered airplane to gain experience, when that seat would have normally been empty. No, I didn't get compensated. I also didn't log it. I just did it to learn. What is the harm in that? Sheesh. Probably one of my best memories in aviation is flying a King Air 200 into Chicago Meigs before it closed. An opportunity which would have been wasted if I complained that I wasn't getting compensated for sitting in a seat not required per the regulations.

Know what I just realized? I think all my pictures of that King Air trip got wiped out when my hard drive bit the dust. I think I'm going to cry...

 

[spitfire1940]

FlyChicaga,
you win the avatar contest ... even if they're fake.

this thread is proof that the value of this forum lies mainly in its entertainment, rather than its educational value.

i think a pilot version of the Jerry Spring show on Webcast (cuz the general population certainly isn't interested enough to justify a TV show) is what we need. Then we could scream and throw chairs at each other.

 

[Mustang5.0]

I think it's a great opportunity for low time pilots, don't know why everyone needs to bash this guy, not like he is charging pilots for the seat!

I am in the Houston area, and if I had my Comm cert. done, I would love the opportunity to gain some turbine exp. for FREE!!

 

[Kingairrick]

Here's an idea.

Why not charge the right seater for this valuable experience? If they are willing to go "non-compensated," then they are already paying in a way. They could be using their time to produce income.

One of my FOs, (who is not required by ops or insurance, but who IS paid $200.00 per day + all expenses, AND who can't even log the flight time because no type,) suggested that we start a "King Air 300 CRM program." He thinks we could sell the seat for $100.00 per day. We would gross $300.00 per day! He's got lots of flight instructor buddies willing to sign up. Of course I'll have to review their resumes first....

 

[Gulfstream 200]

even better idea..

fill the empty seats in back with MEI's who are dying for this "experience"...then they can say they were teaching and all log the time. $50 a seat.

Just think of all the favors we will be doing people who will appreciate the experience.

If only these opportunities were avaliable to me when I was starting out...