Horizon at UND

[Sir Humpalot]

The thing i hate about UND is the garbage that you guys graduate with. That degree is worthless and dont think that you went to a real school cuz you didnt. True that you get breaks and think that you are better than others, but the bottom line is that i will take a degree from an accredited university over und any day.

I really cant understand why Horizon wont hire cargo pilots, who have flown in actual conditions, over some cfi. Dont give me the BS that und grads know alot about aviation cuz you dont. Dont give me the BS that you are more deserving than someone who scraped through enough crap to fly cargo and flight instructing. The worst issue about und grad is that your perception of the world is limited to your surrounding. I have flown with und and erau grads and i have to say, they have the biggest egos and the least amount of knowledge. While i was in college (years ago) i interned at UAL Pilot hiring dept in DENTK and the chief pilot told me that they try to avoid university aviation programs for the reason of limited knowledge. True that they have intern programs but that is administered by corporate and he has no say on which interns are hired.

What i would say to you is to keep your mouth shut and just put the gear up when told to. I dont want to hear about your degree and your place in society. The fact is that you got ripped off in your program and just admit that you could have gone to a part 61 program for far less. Have fun in your years at Horizon and remember gear up and shut up....get my coffee once in awhile also.

 

[skippy767]

Just to let you know mr. cargo I least I learned to spell cause at UND vs. CUZ

 

[Sir Humpalot]

How long did it take you to come up with that response?

Shut up and get my coffee, biatch.

 

[crashpad]

One of my recommendations at Frontier was a UND graduate...
He's a great pilot/person that we're lucky to have onboard.

 

[RJP]

Why, oh why does anyone still have an NDB hold in the sim?

 

[RegionalWannabe]

I have flown with und and erau grads and i have to say, they have the biggest egos and the least amount of knowledge...

The fact is that you got ripped off in your program and just admit that you could have gone to a part 61 program for far less.

How many of these grads have you dealt with? Obviously enough to stereotype every single pilot that walked out of these colleges. Creating a "perception" from a fraction of a percent of the pilots from UND is absurd. Egoistic and ignorant pilots come from every facet of training, 61, 141, even where you trained (it's obvious).

Since UND grads get "ripped off", please inform us what we could have learned at a far cheaper price that would make us smarter, better pilots.

I don't think Horizon cares if you come from UND or pounding the clouds with boxes, if you can meet the criteria they set forth to get the interview, congrats. I am sure having the CP a UND alum helps get Horizon at UND, but that is only for two days a year. The rest of the year they interview whomever gets lucky from the HR lotto. Should a newly graduated pilot be in a cockpit of a passenger carrying plane, no they need different experiences away from the 141 environment. The other side of it, should a 0 to commercial in a blink of an eye pilot get flight experience to compensate for being unfamiliar with sops, organization, and crew coordination, absolutely.

No pilot knows everything, nor should they express that they do. Next time an aviation college grad egos his/her way into your cockpit, have a beverage of your choice with them, they are just trying to make it where you are. All they did was choose a different path that you choose.

 

[BoilerUP]

Its an age-old debate, those who went the mom n' pop route vs. the university aviation programs vs. the major professional flight schools. Each side has valid arguments, based upon my personal observations:

The mom and pop route probably paid less for the same ratings and got more "real world" experience, but didn't learn jack about turbine aircraft or high-altitude operations. Their IFR skills are usually well-honed, however.

The university aviation programs got a college degree to go along with their ratings, professors that *typically* know WTF they are talking about, a wide background both in and outside of aviation, but their programs are often "canned" and people that don't fly much outside the program have a false perception of real-world flying. The bridge programs help, though.

The major professional flight schools will take somebody with either zero time or a PPL and get a dedicated person their ratings in a short amount of time, albeit for often much more $$$ than the above two options. Some of these have prefferential hiring associated with them, but some are operated by scumbags, too.

I've flown with people from all three routes, and some were super-sharp, and some couldn't fly their way out of a paper bag. Where you come from has very little to do with your inheirent skills as an aviator. I agree that some people from university programs are egotistical and think they are the sh!t, but thats the 1%ers that everyplace has. On the other side of the coin you have lifetime CFIs and four-month freight pilots that think they should automatically be regarded higher than people from these programs. If you have a beef, take it up with HR, not us.

I looked at all three routes, and I picked the middle one. Guess I'll know the value of that decision at three points in life: 1) graduation, 2) age 40, and 3) age 60. I refuse to knock those who went differently than me, and I hope they show the same respect. That being said, if my choice gets me a preferential interview with PDT, EGL, CHQ, TSA, Horizon, or any other carrier, I'm not going to apologize to anybody.

I wish I had an interview possibility with Horizon. You damm UNDers are taking over ze world!!!

 

[RegionalWannabe]

The interviews are put on hold until further notice, Nov. possilbly.

 

[Fallingbrick]

This is total flame bait, but I’ll bite.

"What I would say to you is to keep your mouth shut and just put the gear up when told to. I don’t want to hear about your degree and your place in society. The fact is that you got ripped off in your program and just admit that you could have gone to a part 61 program for far less. Have fun in your years at Horizon and remember gear up and shut up....get my coffee once in awhile also."
Gee with your fantastic attitude, superior writing skills, and 1700 hours in Pipers, I can’t figure out why you can’t catch a break with Horizon either!

I knew that if I waited long enough this would turn in to a UND (or any aviation college) bashing thread! Sir Humpalot are you really that bitter? Why are you so upset that some of these guys/gals have a change to fly for Horizon with effectively the same time you have? Did someone pi$$ in your coffee last night? What gets me is you go on to imply what a crappy job being an FO there will be. So the question I have is why do you care? Do you have an ax to grind? Did Horizon give you the ‘thanks but no thanks’?

The bottom line is that I have flown with FO’s from all kinds of flying backgrounds. I’ve flown with college guys who think they are the greatest (and they’re not). I’ve also flown with freight dogs with loads of IFR time who couldn’t run a checklist or remember their flows. And every so often I get to fly with a gem like you with such a pleasant personality. People wonder why Captains seem to drink more, and now you know why. Whether they are from UND, Riddle, Purdue, etc. I have found the vast majority of them have great attitudes and a superior understanding of their job. Dude, you fly single engine cargo, get over yourself.

Oh, and in case you’re wondering I did go to one of those fancy aviation colleges and I don’t feel "ripped off". Maybe its cuz I gotz me a 121 job.

 

[EX_CV580FR8Dawg]

Brick, PM me.... just curious if weve flown together? You are at YX?

 

[Frisko]

Seems like this whole "flying skills" thing always gets all blown out of proportion. 98% of everyone I fly with is about the same, UND or not. The job ain't that hard. Mellow out Humpalot.

 

[Booker]

i will take a degree from an accredited university over und any day.

I'd love to hear your explanation of this one, boss.

http://www.und.edu/aboutund/html/accreditation.html

 

[Paul R. Smith]

Why, oh why does anyone still have an NDB hold in the sim?

NDBs still are used for published missed holding patterns. So that maybe a good reason for one.

Horizon does NDB apps do they not?

They still do NDB apps at NWA as well.

That maybe whyo-why

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

The thing i hate about UND is the garbage that you guys graduate with. That degree is worthless and dont think that you went to a real school cuz you didnt. True that you get breaks and think that you are better than others, but the bottom line is that i will take a degree from an accredited university over und any day.

This is one of the most moronic statements I have ever read. The University of North Dakota has a big aviation program, but the non-aviation part of the university is far bigger. What school did you graduate from, Central Bum*uck College? Yeah, that's much better.

 

[tk855]

I sure find it funny that my degree from UND, which is worthless, has landed me interviews and job offers from the likes of American Express Finance, Wells Fargo, and other well known institutions. I should mention that you can go to UND, get your ratings, and major in something other than aviation!! I just choose to fly for a living, and I'm not quite sure why somedays!


tk