honest questions about alpa

[PCL_128]

looking for info and not rhetoric or flames about alpa.

2 scenarios.

1-a pilot is involved in an incident, accident or whatever and the FAA seeks certificate action against him. he's an honest guy who made an honest mistake (ie: crossed and active runway, his FO struck a wing on landing or something similar). The company decides to fire him. what legal services would ALPA provide? is there a limit? how do they decide whether or not an attorney will be provided?

WWW. provided a good explanation as to how this works. Basically, there's no limit. The attorneys will work with you on the grievance all the way through to arbitration. They'll also deal with the FAA when necessary.

The guy who posted about AOPA obviously doesn't understand what he's talking about. AOPA members only receive a free consultation from legal. They don't receive free legal help beyond that. It's all extra. ALPA provides all of it for free for members on active status.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

You might want to do your research on this a little more before selling it as "similar to what Alpa offers". I signed up for this when I was a CFI, had a legal issue. I was told the legal services in the form a of an alpa paid attorney dont kick in until after you are convicted and have "exhausted all other resources". The attorney advice I got over the phone was some kid who just barely graduated from law school, building his resume working for Aopa. Not even in the ballpark compared to what Alpa offers. You get what you pay for but then again an intelligent person would understand you arent going to get much for $29 a year or even their slightly more expensive ATP plan which is what I had.

The problem here is you said "an intelligent person would understand"...thus all the anti-ALPA zealots that keep spewing their lies and propaganda!

 

[Troutbait]

Before you start your usual attacks and calling names, you should research their services a bit. They give free consultation to general members, but they do have a dedicated lawyer service to help you, if you pay for their legal service. I know, my cousin flies cargo and received help from an AOPA lawyer with a mistake he made out in California. They did help him and he still flies. He does pay for the service, but did get legal help. It is more than a magazine. I am not fully endorsing their services, because I don't get paid to do so, but there are other options. The ASAP program is also there to help. Skywest doesn't just hang it pilots out to dry, regardless of what you pro-ALPA heros say.

 

[USCtrojan]

Under the current system at ASA two things take place. A grievance by the pilot is filed for the termination pilot AND ALPA atty will sit down with the FAA.

Grievance process... meeting with the company to find out all the facts of the violation and ALPA does their own investigation. ALPA safety works with the group to see if there have been any other such problems like this at this location etc..

If pilot is not put back to work, then it goes to System Board where both sides, ALPA atty and company, talk about the issue and try to find some common ground. Usually, but not always, able to bring pilot back to work with some items....retraining etc...

If not resolved at System Board then the case will be put before an Arbitrator for binding arbitration.

FAA...this has a great deal to do with the relationship on a local level between the FAA and the ALPA atty.
There have been several times that the two work together to find and resolve issues that arise. ALPA atty will handle this for you.

As for the medical...if the pilot has elected the Loss of License Insur. then he would be covered under the policy. As for the FAA, ALPA Medical in Denver is the best. They work with the FAA on thousands of medical cases to find what it will take to get his medical back. The doctors in Denver know about the latest treatments and procedures and can point you in the right direction and will work with your AME.

PM me if I can help.

ALPA Medical is AWESOME. My buddy lost his Medical a few years ago due to some cardiovascular complications. He was taken off-line without pay. He worked through his personal health issues successfully and with the help of the ALPA Doctor got back on-line. There is a whole process to getting back on-line if you lose your Medical. The Doctor (I can't remember his name--Harvard grad very well known in the ALPA ranks), puts together a packet for you, and submits and re-submits based on what the FAA needs/wants to see. You could never do this on your own or just with a "local Doctor." The FAA is a beauracracy and god forbid you ever lose your Medical. Hopefully you all get a chance to attend an ALPA Conference. A lot of the different areas are covered and gone into detail by the individuals that head up each Committee. Hearing the Doctor's presentation about how he gets ALPA pilots back online was very impressive.

If you want to hear a personal account of it PM me and I'll put you in contact with my buddy. He's very proud of ALPA Medical and knows he wouldn't be flying the line today without it.

Trojan

 

[www.]

The ASAP program is also there to help.

And who represents the pilots in your ASAP program?

I have a question for you...What group of people were able to use their resources to help in the investigation, that lead to finding the faults in the E120 prop, of the ASA BQK crash?

Was it ASA MGMT?

Was it AOPA?

Was it ALPA?

Was it the Pep Boys, Manny Moe and Jack?

 

[120% Torque]

Before you start your usual attacks and calling names, you should research their services a bit. They give free consultation to general members, but they do have a dedicated lawyer service to help you, if you pay for their legal service. I know, my cousin flies cargo and received help from an AOPA lawyer with a mistake he made out in California. They did help him and he still flies. He does pay for the service, but did get legal help. It is more than a magazine. I am not fully endorsing their services, because I don't get paid to do so, but there are other options. The ASAP program is also there to help. Skywest doesn't just hang it pilots out to dry, regardless of what you pro-ALPA heros say.

Once again I had aopa ATP insurance (their highest offering), paid for it three years, when I went to use it it ended up being worthless. All they could do was give some very general advice that I could have figured out on my own, quote the small print under terms and agreements explaining why I wasn't going to get an attorney to help me at that point in time....and that after a conviction was in place there were some options I could persue but it would cost me extra. I dont care if your Aunt, Cousin or Sasquatch says he had aopa attorneys dig him out, thats just not how it works.

 

[Jmoney]

Disability

I'd also be curious the hear the specific amounts if a pilot cannot get his medical back.

I think everyone here knows what a retard your are. ALPA medical would probably consider that a pre-existing condition. I wouldn't count on getting any bucks for simply being "special."

-F-tard!

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Once again I had aopa ATP insurance (their highest offering), paid for it three years, when I went to use it it ended up being worthless. All they could do was give some very general advice that I could have figured out on my own, quote the small print under terms and agreements explaining why I wasn't going to get an attorney to help me at that point in time....and that after a conviction was in place there were some options I could persue but it would cost me extra. I dont care if your Aunt, Cousin or Sasquatch says he had aopa attorneys dig him out, thats just not how it works.

Quit using facts, it confuses the anti-Alpa crowd!!!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Short answer is this:

1. IMHO: ALPA legal services are a joke (or were for me). Others report better results.

Please explain how Duty of Fair Representation (DFR) was exluded as you became the punch line of an ALPA legal joke?

 

[Tarzan]

I think everyone here knows what a retard your are. ALPA medical would probably consider that a pre-existing condition. I wouldn't count on getting any bucks for simply being "special."

-F-tard!

I don't care who you are. That there, is funny!

As far as Skynation goes, a wise man once said, "You can't fix stupid!"

 

[Occam's Razor]

ALPA Aeromedical's "saves" are numerous, and impressive. They have a very good relationship with Dr. Silberman and the FAA medical folks.

Where they've been indispensible has been on issues related to depression, anxiety, and stress. Calls and consultation with ALPA Aeromedical by an ALPA member do not have to be reported as a "health care provider visit" on the FAA medical form when you take your physical.

That alone has encouraged a lot of pilots dealing with stress from Bankruptcy, 9-11, TSA screening shenanigans, marital issues, etc, to seek help getting through it.

ALPA legal is your lawyer. If it has anything to do with your job...they represent you. Not "advice", not "consulting"...your lawyer. If you end up in Admin Court over a violation...they are there in court with you, as your lawyer.

A Chief Pilot on the warpath? They represent you.

And yes, your ALPA Loss of License policy will pay you 150% of your annual salary, drop your kids off at Day Care, write-stamp-and-mail all your Christmas cards, and set you up with Pamela Anderson after she dumps Loser #3.

Did I mention it makes mounds of julienne fries?

 

[Bus-Driver]

You know, I fully support the AOPA legal services plan. It's great, you can use it for anything aviation related, they provide a lawyer or you can pick your own and have him paid for, and it only cost $100 a year. I've used them before and they do work hard and fix things quickly. You also have AOPA backing you, the largest non-profit aviation organization in the world. There are a plethora of medical and legal services available for a only small fraction of what ALPA charges, but they probably won't buy you coffee (Oh, that won't be the case once the drive is over)

 

[KingNothing]

ALPA offers free pizza and a magazine subscription. Pretty spendy pizza and 40 page rag!

 

[MYFpilot]

However, you don't have to vote ALPA on the property to be able to buy it. Numerous insurance companies offer it.

True, but it's more expensive going shopping on your own. Take this for example:

Using age 30 as an example for 3000 per month from the 12 Month Wait/48 Month Benefit...

The Harvey W. Watt & Co. plan would cost you $374 per year

The ALPA plan would cost you $355 per year


Harvey W. Watt & Co does have plans that are cheaper. Such as the 12 Month Wait/24 Month Benefit for $324/year or the 6 Month Wait/18 Month Benefit for $263/year. However, ALPA is definitely cheaper when you compare equivalent plans.

Oh, and The AOPA legal services are $100 per year for Commercial/ATP and the benefits are limited. There will be out of pocket expenses if you need to go to court.

Thanks!!

 

[BoilerUP]

The AOPA Legal Services Plan will cover up to ten (10) billable hours with an aviation attorney, depending on the issue and circumstance. After that, the bill is on you.

http://www.aopa.org/info/certified/lsp_certificate.pdf