Homebasing? Anyone? Anyone?....Buehler???

[gunfyter]

Um.... Try the one that's about a 5-10 minute drive from my HOME !!!

I really do respect you and the contributions you make to this forum, but I'll be darned if I can see your point ?

What if I got hired at the company you work for? I live in TX. Where can I start work from?

My point is we negotiated a Better deal for Newhires than the deal you have for your new hires.

 

[h25b]

What if I got hired at the company you work for? I live in TX. Where can I start work from?

My point is we negotiated a Better deal for Newhires than the deal you have for your new hires.

You can start work from our home base airport AFTER we have fully relocated you and your family.... I don't think you could compare my new hire position to yours, fairly anyhow...

My point is the HUGE difference between the haves and have nots that your new contract will clearly create. Attitudes like the one Seat 0A displays is an insult to a person's intelligence. I can't imagine what it would be like if a corporate flight department decided to all of a sudden start letting the top 1/3 of the pilots start flying from wherever they wanted to live in the U.S. and paid for them to do it. you'd be looking at a riot that would insue.

My life and a fractional pilot's are apples & oranges so the debate is pointless. I just think the point Seat 0A was making was pretty pompus...

Take care...

 

[Seat 0A]

I am all for people working here. But you need to know WTF you are talking about with the new contract. I recommend you take a day and read it. Or at least reference it when making statements.

You also forgot to mention that if you buy your ticket home last day that the pilot has to arrange it. So if you thought your day would end in Aspen and then reroute you last second to Santa Fe then you might loose the money for the first ticket, or at least the 100 fee to change a ticket.

Look, this I know a little about. I have a close friend here who is doing this successfully. He is waiting until the end of the last day to do this. Has not had any problems so far. Seems most of the tickets travel books are refundable.

As for the contract, I know the sections that I need to quite well. These sections do not affect me and if they ever do I know where to look.

The information/suggestion I gave initially regarding not having to move to work here is a viable option for some. I have met several folks on the road who didn't even know it was possible.

 

[h25b]

The information/suggestion I gave initially regarding not having to move to work here is a viable option for some. I have met several folks on the road who didn't even know it was possible.

Next question... Arguement aside... Please.

What happens to the new hire "proby" that doesn't make it to work when their personal flight is cancelled or delayed ??? I can't imagine how this would be treated when the self-commuter's unsanctioned fly from home process fails...

 

[Seat 0A]

Next question... Arguement aside... Please.

What happens to the new hire "proby" that doesn't make it to work when their personal flight is cancelled or delayed ??? I can't imagine how this would be treated when the self-commuter's unsanctioned fly from home process fails...

Yes, now you see it! It IS a risk. Personally in that case I would have to be "sick", what else could you do?
My intent was to help someone who: a) wants to come here and b) doesn't want to move.
Some may be willing to roll the dice rather than go to a commuter for $20k/yr.
This is a good thread for those folks out there. I made some good mistakes earlier in the thread but my intent was to help.
I still think it can be done if one wants to TRY. There IS risk associated with it, much like anything else in life you try to minimize it to the extent possible.

How does your question differ from those commuting on their own time in the airline industry. What if you can't get a jumpseat and don't make it to your starting point on time?
Actually I would think a good company would treat it the same as if your car failed to start on day-1 and you couldn't make it to your base. It's just a mode of transportation.

 

[h25b]

How does your question differ from those commuting on their own time in the airline industry. What if you can't get a jumpseat and don't make it to your starting point on time?

I believe a lot of airline contracts have a "commuter policy" that protects pilots from action if they can prove they failed to make a certain number of flights to work...

 

[Seat 0A]

I believe a lot of airline contracts have a "commuter policy" that protects pilots from action if they can prove they failed to make a certain number of flights to work...

Could be. I wouldn't know since I never whored myself out that way.

Anyhow, this entire thread has boiled down to this:

If NJA is for you then you either:
a) Move all your sh*t to one of the 5 bases
b) Try the commute bit

Glad we could clear that up!

 

[imacdog]

Could be. I wouldn't know since I never whored myself out that way.

Oh give me a break. Last year NJ was paying its pilots nearly identical wages to some regionals. I went to a regional last year because they paid better than NJA, plus travel benefits and a commuter policy for commuting pilots. You guys are paid better now but it wasn't always like that. Amazing how you can forget how low your pay was just six months ago.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

Look, this I know a little about. I have a close friend here who is doing this successfully. He is waiting until the end of the last day to do this. Has not had any problems so far. Seems most of the tickets travel books are refundable.

As for the contract, I know the sections that I need to quite well. These sections do not affect me and if they ever do I know where to look.

The information/suggestion I gave initially regarding not having to move to work here is a viable option for some. I have met several folks on the road who didn't even know it was possible.

If you know so much about the contract why did you get it so wrong?

 

[Seat 0A]

If you know so much about the contract why did you get it so wrong?

Yeah, it would be that part I wrote about knowing the parts that affect me (such as 19 and 28). I don't know what the rules are on maternity leave either. Suppose I better get studying.

 

[h25b]

Yeah, it would be that part I wrote about knowing the parts that affect me. I don't know what the rules are on maternity leave either. Suppose I better get studying.

But the parts you jumped on here to speak about were the ones that you were screwing up. We weren't speaking about maternity leave...

 

[Seat 0A]

But the parts you jumped on here to speak about were the ones that you were screwing up. We weren't speaking about maternity leave...

Once again you have distorted things. I tried to give an alternative to moving. I blew the fly from home for training and the 30% rule, mostly because I am not affected.
The fact still remains that you do NOT have to move to a base. And once again since you have a short/selective memory, there are a lot of folks out there who are not aware of the options available.

Now the chances are that you are really an NJA pilot in hiding who is trying to get others to not come here (there is an effort by some to do this to try and force the company to suffer by lack of recruitment), but some folks would really just like to have the information.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

Yeah, it would be that part I wrote about knowing the parts that affect me. I don't know what the rules are on maternity leave either. Suppose I better get studying.

OK every thing you wrote about was wrong? I dont thing you got one thing right, ok maybe the addition but hey you can do that on a calculator.

So which part affects you?

 

[h25b]

The fact still remains that you do NOT have to move to a base. And once again since you have a short/selective memory, there are a lot of folks out there who are not aware of the options available.

Well for a guy like you making 6 figures it may seem like an option.. Seems pretty pathetic to me though. But hey, it's a small price to pay for the cool ties and unlimited Rudy's Catering. :erm: I used to have to eat that crap airborne when I was flying the Hawker on quick turns out to the west coast and back. I believe I'd rather use the per diem to get the heck out of First Aviation and over to the Sea Shack for some decent food rather that scraping it together for pay for a self funded fly-from-home deal that could get my arse fired.

Now the chances are that you are really an NJA pilot in hiding who is trying to get others to not come here (there is an effort by some to do this to try and force the company to suffer by lack of recruitment), but some folks would really just like to have the information.

I'm not, but if there are guys like that, God Bless them because they understand what a big screw up this issue was in the TA...

 

[Seat 0A]

Well for a guy like you making 6 figures it may seem like an option.. Seems pretty pathetic to me though. But hey, it's a small price to pay for the cool ties and unlimited Rudy's Catering. :erm: I used to have to eat that crap airborne when I was flying the Hawker on quick turns out to the west coast and back. I believe I'd rather use the per diem to get the heck out of First Aviation and over to the Sea Shack for some decent food rather that scraping it together for pay for a self funded fly-from-home deal that could get my arse fired.

Luckily we can CHOOSE to pay for our own food in those instances.
As for being fired, they generally keep the good ones so I can see why you would be concerned.
For the record, doing your own commuting is not the "illegal" covert op you are making it out to be. You get there the night before and just like anything else you may do in life someday you might not make it in time. You may drive to an interview someday and your car breaks down 10 miles away and you are just as screwed. Get over it.