Homebasing? Anyone? Anyone?....Buehler???

[h25b]

Spin it any way you want. We don't use the per-diem like you may at other places. It is still real money, is in my pocket, and was tax-free.
If a pilot wants to come here I thought they might like "real" numbers. Count all the money, only count part of it, I really don't care. I am trying to show those who WANT to make it work, how they might.

I am the only one of us that's NOT spinning the issue. You're obviously doing just fine and tried to pass off a very big downfall under the new TA by telling some poor ba$tard that's barely going to be able to support a family that it's a "small price to pay" to fork over their hard earned money to enjoy the same benefits that someone like yourself (who could more afford to do so) doesn't pay a nickle for...

Though you might work there, you seem to be getting corrected quite a bit by one of your coworkers about the actual details of your contract...

And yes, you are right, there is NO difference between $43k and $52k.

In LAX, PBI, TEB no, not much difference at all. Both would pretty much put you under poverty level if you had to actually live there on it with a family to support...

 

[gunfyter]

I am the only one of us that's NOT spinning the issue. You're obviously doing just fine and tried to pass off a very big downfall under the new TA by telling some poor ba$tard that's barely going to be able to support a family that it's a "small price to pay" to fork over their hard earned money to enjoy the same benefits that someone like yourself (who could more afford to do so) doesn't pay a nickle for...

Though you might work there, you seem to be getting corrected quite a bit by one of your coworkers about the actual details of you contract...

How many airports can you start work from at the company you work for?

 

[Seat 0A]

WRONG!!! That was old contract. New contract does not cover travel to training for any one that is domiciled based. So even for training you have to drive to your domicile for your flight.

OK guys, maybe I am not as "polished" as I need to be on these contract nuances. So add in the other 3 tours at $300 each for airfare and hotel. $6300+$900=$7200 (is my math correct?? Addition is hard).

AGAIN, IF A GUY WANTS TO WORK HERE, THERE IS A WAY WITHOUT MOVING. Do it or don't.

Hey BE-400, nice CRM there and way to look out for a brother. Maybe send me a PM when I f#$k up next time. Do you run straight to the Feds when you see a co-worker miss something too?

 

[h25b]

How many airports can you start work from at the company you work for?

Um.... Try the one that's about a 5-10 minute drive (depending on whether I stop at the Krispy Kreme for coffee and a doughnut) FROM MY HOME!!!

I really do respect you and the contributions you make to this forum, but I'll be darned if I can see your point ?

 

[be-400xpdriver]

OK guys, maybe I am not as "polished" as I need to be on these contract nuances. So add in the other 3 tours at $300 each for airfare and hotel. $6300+$900=$7200 (is my math correct?? Addition is hard).

AGAIN, IF A GUY WANTS TO WORK HERE, THERE IS A WAY WITHOUT MOVING. Do it or don't.

Hey BE-400, nice CRM there and way to look out for a brother. Maybe send me a PM when I f#$k up next time. Do you run straight to the Feds when you see a co-worker miss something too?

I am all for people working here. But you need to know WTF you are talking about with the new contract. I recommend you take a day and read it. Or at least reference it when making statements.

You also forgot to mention that if you buy your ticket home last day that the pilot has to arrange it. So if you thought your day would end in Aspen and then reroute you last second to Santa Fe then you might loose the money for the first ticket, or at least the 100 fee to change a ticket.

 

[gunfyter]

Um.... Try the one that's about a 5-10 minute drive from my HOME !!!

I really do respect you and the contributions you make to this forum, but I'll be darned if I can see your point ?

What if I got hired at the company you work for? I live in TX. Where can I start work from?

My point is we negotiated a Better deal for Newhires than the deal you have for your new hires.

 

[h25b]

What if I got hired at the company you work for? I live in TX. Where can I start work from?

My point is we negotiated a Better deal for Newhires than the deal you have for your new hires.

You can start work from our home base airport AFTER we have fully relocated you and your family.... I don't think you could compare my new hire position to yours, fairly anyhow...

My point is the HUGE difference between the haves and have nots that your new contract will clearly create. Attitudes like the one Seat 0A displays is an insult to a person's intelligence. I can't imagine what it would be like if a corporate flight department decided to all of a sudden start letting the top 1/3 of the pilots start flying from wherever they wanted to live in the U.S. and paid for them to do it. you'd be looking at a riot that would insue.

My life and a fractional pilot's are apples & oranges so the debate is pointless. I just think the point Seat 0A was making was pretty pompus...

Take care...

 

[Seat 0A]

I am all for people working here. But you need to know WTF you are talking about with the new contract. I recommend you take a day and read it. Or at least reference it when making statements.

You also forgot to mention that if you buy your ticket home last day that the pilot has to arrange it. So if you thought your day would end in Aspen and then reroute you last second to Santa Fe then you might loose the money for the first ticket, or at least the 100 fee to change a ticket.

Look, this I know a little about. I have a close friend here who is doing this successfully. He is waiting until the end of the last day to do this. Has not had any problems so far. Seems most of the tickets travel books are refundable.

As for the contract, I know the sections that I need to quite well. These sections do not affect me and if they ever do I know where to look.

The information/suggestion I gave initially regarding not having to move to work here is a viable option for some. I have met several folks on the road who didn't even know it was possible.

 

[h25b]

The information/suggestion I gave initially regarding not having to move to work here is a viable option for some. I have met several folks on the road who didn't even know it was possible.

Next question... Arguement aside... Please.

What happens to the new hire "proby" that doesn't make it to work when their personal flight is cancelled or delayed ??? I can't imagine how this would be treated when the self-commuter's unsanctioned fly from home process fails...

 

[Seat 0A]

Next question... Arguement aside... Please.

What happens to the new hire "proby" that doesn't make it to work when their personal flight is cancelled or delayed ??? I can't imagine how this would be treated when the self-commuter's unsanctioned fly from home process fails...

Yes, now you see it! It IS a risk. Personally in that case I would have to be "sick", what else could you do?
My intent was to help someone who: a) wants to come here and b) doesn't want to move.
Some may be willing to roll the dice rather than go to a commuter for $20k/yr.
This is a good thread for those folks out there. I made some good mistakes earlier in the thread but my intent was to help.
I still think it can be done if one wants to TRY. There IS risk associated with it, much like anything else in life you try to minimize it to the extent possible.

How does your question differ from those commuting on their own time in the airline industry. What if you can't get a jumpseat and don't make it to your starting point on time?
Actually I would think a good company would treat it the same as if your car failed to start on day-1 and you couldn't make it to your base. It's just a mode of transportation.