Homebasing? Anyone? Anyone?....Buehler???

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Have any of the fractionals started/resumed homebasing?

Thanx!

Cliff
YIP

 

[jtf]

NJI for all I believe and NJA for those precontract/ top 30 percent. I should get it once I've given up and finally settled down.

 

[Seat 0A]

I NJI for all I believe and NJA for those precontract/ top 30 percent. I should get it once I've given up and finally settled down.

In the mean time all you need to do is purchase 1-way airfare twice per month from your home airport to one of the 5 bases. On your last day you can fly to your home airport. If the cost of this ticket is less than what the company would have spent to get you to your base then it is 100% covered. And you can use more than 1 form of transportation (airline to cheap hub, then rental car, etc). If it costs more then you pay the difference.
So lets say you will be flying about 24 tours per year. You know your schedule for the whole year so you can buy all of your airfares for the year and get a good rate. 24x$200=$4800 and lets say you put yourself in a hotel each night before the tour $100x24=$2400. So for $7200/yr you are flying from home. Even the per-diem will more than cover that.
Of course you are now more or less working 7.5 on/ 6.5 off but it will get better. We all made sacrifices when we came here under the old POS contract.
NJA will seek relief on this basing sooner or later. In the meantime it is a small price to pay to work here.
Base pay this year (5) is $90k, the W2 will be $130k + another $15k in per-diem and extras tax-free. I would give up $7200 if I had to in order to NOT live at one of the 5 bases.

 

[h25b]

NJA will seek relief on this basing sooner or later. In the meantime it is a small price to pay to work here.

With all due respect... You have got to be $h*((ing me !!!

I think starting F.O. pay is something like $43,000. So 43K-$6300= $36,700/yr. Small price to pay to work here... ??? Huh ? Did I hear that right ? WTF ? Seems pretty cruddy to tell a potential new hire that $6,300 bucks out of their own pocket to enjoy the same QOL that the top 30% get for free is a bit far out of right field to me.

This is exactly the mentality that yields the first year pay rates throughout the industry that we have now... Thanks...

We all made sacrifices when we came here under the old POS contract.

I thought that was the point of getting a new contract. Do you have kids ? Because if you do you should know that someone making $43K doesn't have the coin to fork over $6,300 after tax dollars to pay for something that the "Strong Union" should've made sure they had anyway...

 

[be-400xpdriver]

]Actually it's the top 70%. Once you are above the bottom 30% you can fly from home. [/U]
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WRONG!!!!!!!! They can limit it to 30%. So for a new hire at NJA to get Home Basing he/she would have to be in the top 30%.


13.1(b) Home Base Airport Participation
The Company may limit Crewmember participation in the Home Base Airport system to thirty (30) percent of the total number of Crewmembers on the most current seniority list, including crewmembers who have relinquished Home Base Airport rights pursuant to Section 13.2(b). Such percentage may be less than thirty (30) percent if crewmembers designate Domiciles, or more than thirty (30) percent because of grandfather rights as defined in Section 13.1(a).

 

[Seat 0A]

With all due respect... You have got to be $h*((ing me !!!

I think starting F.O. pay is something like $43,000. So 43K-$6300= $36,700/yr. Small price to pay to work here... ??? Huh ? Did I hear that right ? WTF ? Seems pretty cruddy to tell a potential new hire that $6,300 bucks out of their own pocket to enjoy the same QOL that the top 70% get for free is a bit far out of right field to me.

This is exactly the mentality that yields the first year pay rates throughout the industry that we have now... Thanks...



I thought that was the point of getting a new contract.

First of all, your first year here will be around $58,000. I am not going to spell it all out for you but with the average OT, etc. that's what it is. How do I know? Because I both work here and have friends in their first year.
I think I gave a pretty good suggestion to someone who want's to come here but is passing because of this basing issue.
So you continue to "think" some more and when you have the facts give us something wonderful.

 

[Seat 0A]

WRONG!!!!!!!! They can limit it to 30%. So for a new hire at NJA to get Home Basing he/she would have to be in the top 30%.


13.1(b) Home Base Airport Participation
The Company may limit Crewmember participation in the Home Base Airport system to thirty (30) percent of the total number of Crewmembers on the most current seniority list, including crewmembers who have relinquished Home Base Airport rights pursuant to Section 13.2(b). Such percentage may be less than thirty (30) percent if crewmembers designate Domiciles, or more than thirty (30) percent because of grandfather rights as defined in Section 13.1(a).

Whoops, yes you are right (I am grandfathered because I made a choice to come here years ago).
The rest of my story is true including the $.
It can be done for those who want it. Otherwise move on.

 

[h25b]

First of all, your first year here will be around $58,000. I am not going to spell it all out for you but with the average OT, etc. that's what it is. How do I know? Because I both work here and have friends in their first year.
I think I gave a pretty good suggestion to someone who want's to come here but is passing because of this basing issue.
So you continue to "think" some more and when you have the facts give us something wonderful.

First of all, any reasonable human being doesn't count "per diem" as salary. It covers the differences in cost between being at home and being on the road. So lets just say that minus per diem it's more like $52K... Hardly any different than the example I mentioned earlier..

If you want to include your per diem to hyper-inflate your salary to impress people, fine... Keep it to yourself though...uke:

 

[Seat 0A]

First of all, any reasonable human being doesn't count "per diem" as salary. It covers they differences in cost between being at home and being on the road. So lets just say that minus per diem it's more like $52K... Hardly any different than the example I mentioned earlier..

Spin it any way you want. We don't use the per-diem like you may at other places. It is still real money, is in my pocket, and was tax-free.
If a pilot wants to come here I thought they might like "real" numbers. Count all the money, only count part of it, I really don't care. I am trying to show those who WANT to make it work, how they might.

And yes, you are right, there is NO difference between $43k and $52k.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

For training events you still fly from home. .

WRONG!!! That was old contract. New contract does not cover travel to training for any one that is domiciled based. So even for training you have to drive to your domicile for your flight.