As a commercial pilot (not an operator) you are only alowed to charge $ for a select few services... such as, banner towing, crop dusting, sight seeing within 25miles of departing airport and returning to point of departure, aerial photography, sky diving if within 25 miles and returning to point of departure. So here is my question. If you only had a commercial pilots certificate and you wanted to build time doing any of the above, are you allowed to hold out. That is, are you allowed to advertise your services and accept $ from anyone who is willing to pay?
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Don't be ridiculous. You're allowed to hold out. How are you going to find work if you don't?
You're operating under a misconception, a myth. You can't hold out to fly someone to another destination for compensation or hire, and even if you do it without adversing, word of mouth is enough to establish that you've held out. But that's not he issue.
You can offer yourself and your airplane for towing, sightseeing, whatever.
Even if it's within 25 nm, you can't land at a point other than the point of departure, unless you're Part 135.
You can advertise your pilot services all you like. If someone else invites you to fly them around in their airplane, you can fly them around the world, if you like. You just can't do it if they're accepting compensation or payment from any passenger or for carrying any goods, etc.
Send out resumes. Advertise yourself. Put up flyers and adds...will fly anything, any time, any place. Hold out all you want. So long as you're not holding out as being willing to transport persons or property for hire, and providing the means to do so, you're not in jeopardy.
You're operating under a misconception, a myth. You can't hold out to fly someone to another destination for compensation or hire, and even if you do it without adversing, word of mouth is enough to establish that you've held out. But that's not he issue.
You can offer yourself and your airplane for towing, sightseeing, whatever.
Even if it's within 25 nm, you can't land at a point other than the point of departure, unless you're Part 135.
You can advertise your pilot services all you like. If someone else invites you to fly them around in their airplane, you can fly them around the world, if you like. You just can't do it if they're accepting compensation or payment from any passenger or for carrying any goods, etc.
Send out resumes. Advertise yourself. Put up flyers and adds...will fly anything, any time, any place. Hold out all you want. So long as you're not holding out as being willing to transport persons or property for hire, and providing the means to do so, you're not in jeopardy.
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The ORIGINAL QUESTION was:
"Are you allowed to advertise your services and accept money from anyone who is willing to pay...(with only a commercial pilot certificate)"
A completely reasonable question from someone honestly seeking information.
The condesceding response was:
"Don't be ridiculous. You're allowed to hold out. How are you going to find WORK (my emphasis) if you don't?"..."Hold out all you want. So long as you're not...willing to transport persons or property for hire.."
By defintion, WORK is "to obtain material for personal benefit from one's efforts"...The question and the answer are both saying the same thing, just mired in semantics.
"Are you allowed to advertise your services and accept money from anyone who is willing to pay...(with only a commercial pilot certificate)"
A completely reasonable question from someone honestly seeking information.
The condesceding response was:
"Don't be ridiculous. You're allowed to hold out. How are you going to find WORK (my emphasis) if you don't?"..."Hold out all you want. So long as you're not...willing to transport persons or property for hire.."
By defintion, WORK is "to obtain material for personal benefit from one's efforts"...The question and the answer are both saying the same thing, just mired in semantics.
No, mate. That's not it at all. To quote:
Are you allowed to hold out? Absolutely.
Condescending? Perhaps if your skin is paper thin, and you're still attached to your mother's breast. Otherwise, grow up.
Yes, you can hold out. Not for certain activities, and this is NOT, repeat NOT a matter of semantics.
You cannot hold out to transport persons or property for hire to a point other than the point of destination. You can hold out to do local scenic flights, flight instruction, banner towing, ag work, flying skydivers, and all manner of other flying. You may hold out for certain functions, but not others. The distinction is critical as to weather one keeps one's pilot certificate, or not.
It's not semantics; it's important, need to know information.
Can one hold out? One must hold out, and yes, one can. Just not for certain functions, unless requirements such as may be outlined in Part 119, are met.
As for the definition of work, you need to do a little more research.
Are you allowed to hold out? Absolutely.
Condescending? Perhaps if your skin is paper thin, and you're still attached to your mother's breast. Otherwise, grow up.
Yes, you can hold out. Not for certain activities, and this is NOT, repeat NOT a matter of semantics.
You cannot hold out to transport persons or property for hire to a point other than the point of destination. You can hold out to do local scenic flights, flight instruction, banner towing, ag work, flying skydivers, and all manner of other flying. You may hold out for certain functions, but not others. The distinction is critical as to weather one keeps one's pilot certificate, or not.
It's not semantics; it's important, need to know information.
Can one hold out? One must hold out, and yes, one can. Just not for certain functions, unless requirements such as may be outlined in Part 119, are met.
As for the definition of work, you need to do a little more research.
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"No, dickhead. "
Ah, the sign of a brilliant orator...Those incapable of expressing themselves clearly often resort to inane, pre-pubescent personal attacks. Your words have diminished your credibility to the point of frivolity..
And my defintion of "work" comes directly from the Oxford American Dictionary...
Perhaps, you think you can belittle others in an attempt to inflate an incipient Ego, or assuage the inadequacies of the individual staring at you in the mirror... I don't know, maybe your mother didn't hold you as a child, regardless it doesn't matter...Try to engage your brain before spouting your mindless obscenites and drivel.
Ah, the sign of a brilliant orator...Those incapable of expressing themselves clearly often resort to inane, pre-pubescent personal attacks. Your words have diminished your credibility to the point of frivolity..
And my defintion of "work" comes directly from the Oxford American Dictionary...
Perhaps, you think you can belittle others in an attempt to inflate an incipient Ego, or assuage the inadequacies of the individual staring at you in the mirror... I don't know, maybe your mother didn't hold you as a child, regardless it doesn't matter...Try to engage your brain before spouting your mindless obscenites and drivel.
When you're done whining, do you have anything else to add? Weren't you the one who jumped in to attack others, with nothing worthwhile to contribute? Still waiting.
While you're working on the definition of "work," you might note that there are many connotations and purposes. Work in the context of physics has an entirely different meaning, which has nothing to do with economic benifit.
Here we have someone asking if it's okay to hold out to gain experience. I stipulated, correctly, that it is okay to hold out to obtain work. Employment. A job. It is okay to do this for many purposes, except for transporting persons or property between two points for compensation or hire. That requries an operating certificate, as provided in 14 CFR Part 119.
When you're done crying in your suds, do you have anything worthwhile to say, or is this going to be an attack-and-whine session, mate?
While you're working on the definition of "work," you might note that there are many connotations and purposes. Work in the context of physics has an entirely different meaning, which has nothing to do with economic benifit.
Here we have someone asking if it's okay to hold out to gain experience. I stipulated, correctly, that it is okay to hold out to obtain work. Employment. A job. It is okay to do this for many purposes, except for transporting persons or property between two points for compensation or hire. That requries an operating certificate, as provided in 14 CFR Part 119.
When you're done crying in your suds, do you have anything worthwhile to say, or is this going to be an attack-and-whine session, mate?
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Yawn..You attempt to defend that which is indefensible,. You diminish your argument with your silly name calling. Perhaps you should spend a little less time writing several thousand posts to anonymous individuals and get out a bit...The BUG portion of your screen name is painfully appropriate...I'll leave you now, your arguments have grown tiresome..Also, spell check every once in awhile. It adds credibility, even to the most inane positions.
So what you're saying depez, you thickheaded pusnutted knot earned peabrain, is that you really have nothing to contribute. Is that it?
Fact: a commercially certificated pilot may hold out.
Fact: a commercially certificated pilot may not hold out for transportation of persons or property for hire between two points without an operating certificate.
Fact: a pilot who wishes to gain work must hold out to obtain that work.
Fact: a commercially certificated pilot is allowed to advertise his or her services and accept $ from anyone who is willing to pay, within limits, with caveat, as already provided in this thread.
I speak facts, you speak crap. Yawn over that, mate. Is that articulate enough for you, you pedantic slapass tittwisting prick? Or would you prefer I just quote bill shakespeare and wax poetic about slipping the bonds in mystic flight?
When one deals in facts, credibility isn't an issue.
Fact: a commercially certificated pilot may hold out.
Fact: a commercially certificated pilot may not hold out for transportation of persons or property for hire between two points without an operating certificate.
Fact: a pilot who wishes to gain work must hold out to obtain that work.
Fact: a commercially certificated pilot is allowed to advertise his or her services and accept $ from anyone who is willing to pay, within limits, with caveat, as already provided in this thread.
I speak facts, you speak crap. Yawn over that, mate. Is that articulate enough for you, you pedantic slapass tittwisting prick? Or would you prefer I just quote bill shakespeare and wax poetic about slipping the bonds in mystic flight?
When one deals in facts, credibility isn't an issue.
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