holding out

[redd]

de Pez, you said to avbug,

Also, spell check every once in awhile. It adds credibility, even to the most inane positions.

Uhm....maybe you should too...

You posted:

And my defintion of "work" comes directly from the Oxford American Dictionary...

I believe definition is spelled with 3 "I's"....and....

You posted:

Try to engage your brain before spouting your mindless obscenites and drivel.

And obscenities is spelled with 2 "I's".

Also...

You said:

And my defintion of "work" comes directly from the Oxford American Dictionary...

Perhaps, you think you can belittle others in an attempt to inflate an incipient Ego,

Uhm, I think you meant to say, insipid, or insipient, instead of incipient. From Websters, incipient means:

"\In*cip"i*ent\, a. [L. incipiens, p. pr. of incipere to begin. See Inception.] Beginning to be, or to show itself; commencing; initial; as, the incipient stage of a fever; incipient light of day."

Insipient means:

\In*sip"i*ent\, a. [L. insipiens; pref. in- not + sapiens wise.] Wanting wisdom; stupid; foolish. [R.] --Clarendon. -- n. An insipient person.

Insipid means:

Lacking flavor or zest; not tasty. Lacking qualities that excite, stimulate, or interest; dull.



So maybe you should use the dictionary first before throwing it at others, maybe it would improve your "credibility" as well.

Nuff said.

 

[midlifeflyer]

So what you're saying depez, you dickheaded pusnutted knot earned peabrain, is that you really have nothing to contribute. Is that it?

Okay. Okay. Time for your meds.

 

[de Pez]

Redd-

Incipient: "in it's early stages, small, growing slowly." Precisely the word that I meant. As in a small Ego..

avbug-

You've referenced the phallus with negative overtones on at least four different occasions in your rants. I have asked you to desist, but you continue to wallow in the mire of obscenities. At first I thought it was simply gutter talk or a lack of a creative vocabulary. But it's clear that you have an unhealthy obsession with the male genitalia. Perhaps it's penis envy, a hermaphroditic issue, or simple latent homosexuality expressing itself through your pointless tirades. Not being a true advocate of Freud, I believe it to be the latter..

But dealing in facts...You curse like a sailor, and because of this diminish yourself and whatever point you may be trying to make. I'd like to have a reasonable, balanced exchange of ideas, but your words preclude that.. I will not stoop to your bathhouse level of communication. If you feel compelled to focus on the male phallus, feel free to do so...without me..

 

[A Squared]

Uhhh, de pez,

Avbug gave a complete and accurate response to the question asked. As nearly as I can tell, you didn't understand the question asked at all. Now, you may take exception to his delivery of that answer, but it is in fact correct. As far as the mud slinging to which you've helped reduce the thread; you may both be hurling insutts and personal attacks, but at least Avbug is contributing accurate factual information with his insults. You? well, you're just contributing insults.

 

[52Vincent]

Define please:

Not making any sense to me, in the context that it is being used in all the aforementioned posts.

Thank you for your help!

 

[redd]

Uhh, de Pez,

Then you mean he has a “beginning, as in developing a sense of self” or he has a small ego meaning he is humble.

You are the one that attacked his response.


Perhaps in truth, you are the one with the insipidly insipient ego.

 

[avbug]

Upon request of UAL78, for whom I have respect, I have altered previous posts.

You curse like a sailor,

Thank you. I was afraid my choice of language might be mistaken for being a longshoreman, roughneck, or cowpunch. I'll take that as a compliment.

Not being a true advocate of Freud, I believe it to be the latter..

Oh, come now. You can't have it both ways.

I'd like to have a reasonable, balanced exchange of ideas

I seriously doubt that. Else you would have contributed to the original poster and answered his question. Instead you elected to enter the conversation with a direct attack. You just didn't like the results. You like to be high and mighty, and when I elected to take a different approach in addressing your mindless drivel, you could not handle it. Interesting. The thinking man never fights through the front door, unless the opposition is preparing to repel an attack at the side door. Apparently you merely wish others to view you as a thinking man, oh affiant of sir freud.

You don't really deserve to be accorded the acknowledgement of mateship; nor shall I make reference to you by phallic reference. Nor shall I attempt to address you at whatever level you suppose yourself to be. To me, kiddo, you shall henceforth, in the spirit of that high-brow chronicle "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, be known as "Freud-dude."

Bring it on, freud-dude. I must ask again, do you have ANYTHING to contribute to the subject of this thread, namely the issue of holding out?

For 52Vincent, holding out means advertising one's services, or in fine, holding out to the public as being willing to perform a certain service. In the context of commercial flying acts and privileges, the FAA is interested in holding out to the public as being willing to provide public transportation for goods or services. In a practical sense, this means offering to fly someone somewhere, or their things somewhere, for a price. It also means advertising pilot services to do the same.

As an example, when in High School, I was a private pilot who wanted to fly, but could hardly afford to do so. I made up flyers advertising scenic rides during various school functions; fly people over the town to see the lights at night. I envisioned an opportunity to do lots of flying for very little money. I was a private pilot, and could only share expenses. I advertised that fact with full disclosure, and the flyers specifically set forth the terms of splitting costs. I would pay a pro rata share, and was quite clear about that.

I soon got a call from the fixed base where I rented the airplanes, and where I worked washing and waxing airplanes. I was told I had better make all that go away before the government folks got hold of it...holding out. The person who called me was doing me a big favor at the time, though at 17 years old I didn't see it that way. I was holding out pilot services at a time in my career when it wasn't permitted.

Holding out isn't just the written advertisement. Word of mouth, even when you don't start the rumor, can also be holding out, and the FAA has construed it this way in past enforcement action. For example, if a person approaches a private pilot and asks the private pilot to fly them to a destination, and offers to pay for gas or other expenses...the FAA is very interested in knowing how that passenger became informed of the possibility in the first place. The rumor or word of mouth that the private pilot might be available to make the flight is enough to establishe holding out, and in the event the private pilot takes the flight, this may be used in conjunction with other evidences against that pilot.

 

[AxisVDP]

After reading this entire thread I still have no idea what the phrase "hold out" means. Can someone clue me in?

 

[pilotman2105]

Look for Advisory Circular 120-12A on the FAA website... I can't get to it at the moment to get you a link.

 

[AxisVDP]

Got it. Thanks

120-12A