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[CL60]

Great start

snocone,

The SII is a great enrty-level aircraft. Great to fly and very forgiving. The "wet wing" is easy to handle and works well. You will have to stockpile or otherwise locate TKS fluid around the country but its not a big deal. Not too slow either, flight plan around 390 to 410 knots TAS if I remember correctly???

The 500 series aircraft cockpits are however like being encased inside an airless bubble in the summertime and you will roast without without an air conditioner and a GPU. We had an AC unit installed in the SII I flew years ago and it got cool enough to hang meat after a few minutes with the unit blowing. (Fore and aft squirrel cage fans). Without a/c, plan on wrapping a towel around your neck to make your shirt and tie last the day. Also, ground heat is a problem in the winter. Start an engine in the winter to warm up the cabin first if you have to leave it outside.

Most of the 500's I flew made loud popping noises as we climbed. It was the large windows settling in as the psi increased. It will keep your belts tight.

Looks like your first jet job and first true corporate job. My advice... be safe, be careful, and triple check everything. I congratulate you. There is much to learn about airplanes, your new flying environment, and people. Better get busy!

Good luck

 

[CE650SC]

SII

The SII can be flown single pilot, but the (S) does not stand for single pilot. I believe the 550SP stood for single pilot and the airplane was designed specifically to be flown single pilot (i.e. they included a boom mic, and other enhancements).
All of the Citation II's can be flown single pilot if the pilot and aircraft meet all of the requirements. I think that even the 500, 501, and Citation I can be flown single pilot now with the proper modifications. The difference in the SII with the other Citation II's is the supercritical wing. It is the wing that is now on the V, Ultra and Encore but without the deicing boots. They didn't have a boot to fit the wing so they used TKS instead.
But yes the SII can be flown single pilot. Cessna was even trying to get the Excel approved for single pilot operation when they first designed it. Check out some of the early models, the gear handle is on the left side.
It is a great airplane to build your turbine time in. It is very reliable, the biggest pain is the TKS. Get you a gas can or something and cary a little extra with you during the winter months.
Good luck

 

[56xdriver]

Congratulations on the new job! You will love the SII. It's a very forgiving aircraft. We have been operating one for the last couple of years and it is very reliable. We have been able to flight plan anywhere from 380-400 kts for cruise depending on the altitude. The TKS system is very reliable, we have had no problems operating in icing conditions at all. You just have to plan ahead on how long you can use it before you start running low on fluid. If you have the large tank, that is definately a bonus.

 

[Timebuilder]

Congratulations on joining the jet aircraft ranks. I won't start a Lear/Citation p***ing war.

As far as logging SIC, read this:

>>>FAR 61.51(f) allows the second-in-command to log flight time as second in command (SIC) as follows:

(f) Logging second-in-command flight time. A person may log second-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person:

(1) Is qualified in accordance with the second-in-command requirements of § 61.55 of this part, and occupies a crewmember station in an aircraft that requires more than one pilot by the aircraft's type certificate; or

(2) Holds the appropriate category, class, and instrument rating (if an instrument rating is required for the flight) for the aircraft being flown, and more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted.

In order to log second-in-command flight time, the SIC must be a required flight crewmember by regulation or type certification. Required by the company, insurance carrier, customer, PIC, etc. does not count.

That last paragraph tells the story of logging SIC. Don't make your interview at Big Airways a disaster by logging SIC outside of the bounds stated above.

Thanks again to Doc's FAR page.

 

[Vrefus]

(2) Holds the appropriate category, class, and instrument rating (if an instrument rating is required for the flight) for the aircraft being flown, and more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted.


This is where the FAA Regs are taken out of the picture and the company regs prevail. The company is showing a higher level of restriction by being able to work under such parameters. As long as you completed the necessary training for it, you can log it as SIC.

 

[Timebuilder]

Good answer, but it believe you are incorrect. I found out, to my surprise, that companies have no regulations. Under this part, the government is the only regulatory body.

Here's an example:
When I started helping out across the field as a copilot, I couldn't log any of that time as SIC, even though the company had directed that I be present in the right seat, and I was being paid to be there. Why? The regs said that no SIC was required for the operation because there was an approved and functioning autopilot in the aircraft. The most I was permitted to log were the dead legs I flew after the part 135 operation ended (read: pax dropped off) under part 91.

Being a little creative, and knowing that the autopilot wasn't a brand-new unit, I asked what would happen if the autopilot had malfunctioned, was tagged inop, and waiting for repair? I was told that I would need a current 8410 authorizing me to serve as SIC in that aircraft make and model. That means either a company check airman (they didn't have one) or an FAA POI would administer an SIC checkride.

As you see, the company's rules (not "regulations") had no binding regulatory effect under this part that would allow me to log SIC time.

 

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I believe that the 8410 is only a 135 thing. There is no checkride to fly as SIC under part 91. All that is required is a checkout and three takeoffs and landings.

The question in debate is wheather or not one can log SIC time in an aircraft that could go either way (such as a CE-550 or 560). Both aircraft were orginally certified 2 pilot aircraft, but depending on STC's and specialized training for the PIC, those aircraft may or may not be flown single pilot.

It seems crazy to me that the FAA would discourage two pilot operations in high performance turbojet aircraft by not allowing the SIC to log the time. Doesn't seem like that promotes safety.

 

[Timebuilder]

I agree.

My point is that lacking some official regulatory requirement (like the 135 reg situation I cited) the only way you can log SIC time is when the aircraft certification dictates a two-crew flight deck.

Whether or not a single pilot STC changes that is an excellent question.

For the encouragement of safety, that reg should certainly be re-written.

 

[CE650SC]

SIC - Citation SII

Again, the SII type certificate requires two (2) pilots. Yes a pilot can get a single pilot type and if he operates under the particular stipulations of that single pilot type he can fly the aircraft by himself. But this does not mean you cannot log SIC.

The poor guy who started this thread is probably about ready to find another career.

Log it SIC, no one is going to ask you if the guy you flew with had a single pilot type. Give me a break. You are an SIC in an aircraft that requires two pilots by its original type certificate.

 

[Timebuilder]

Maybe you're right.

Maybe the guy he interviews with three years from now never flew one of those aircraft, and won't ask any questions.

Then again...