Hey Westies

[DrewBlows]

How does it feel being at the highest pay level you have ever had? Plus profit sharing! Must be nice.

Funny, the EAST is at its lowest and the West is at its highest compensation. No wonder you think ALPA is great. You are working under the best conditions you ever had. Thats too funny. You guys remind me of Skybus a year ago. Same talk. Fast upgrades and lots of airplanes on order.

Anyway, good luck trying to get our flying. It won't happen. You will be fenced in your low yield market.
You will enjoy exactly what you had prior to the merger. The desert and about 100 plus airplanes and your attrition. Hopefully you will see some growth in PHX and a few 330, which all belongs to you.

By the way, AWA Pilots could have saved ALPA by creating a 10-15 year fence, which would have protected the majority of us Eastholes and by not putting our reps in trusteeship who were just represting the will of its pilot group.

But no, you wanted it all now. Did you westies ever think that placing a pilot with 17 years of service with a newhire was going to be excepted. Our bottom active pilot went down the entire list. Nic did not merge the lists by using active pilots. Anyone who says MDA were not active USAIR pilots is clueless.
In 10 years there might only be 500-1000 Eastholes left. So, just like a kid who can not wait, you will. Be patient and you will have the airline, just not now.
Rant over.

Marty

Today, 13:06

You know your airline has a substance abuse program. You can probably salvage your career if you enroll in the program before you get in trouble.

 

[MCDU]

Thanks for the heads up PFT training boy.

 

[reepicheep]

Actually pre-merger both sides had "the desert"...only difference being the easts' were all parked at Mojave.

 

[reepicheep]

Here's a link to a photo of the "high yield" PIT hub, circa 2004:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0857525&size=L&width=1024&height=692&sok=&photo_nr=

That's where your '88 hires' job was before the merger.

 

[Bertie Wooster]

Did your USAPA lanyards come with suckers??

man you guys sound like kids.
Your emotions have been directed at the wrong group.

AWA pilots had nothing to do with all the injustices that have been perpetrated against you by all your ex management.

We can argue about the merger, but I doubt we can come to a consensus.
Here are the facts though,

We both agreed to arbitration and we both chose Nic.

Sounds like you guys lack the integrity to stand by your obligations.

 

[PositiveRate]

Marty - you are the embodiment of everything that is wrong with the East usapa supporters.

You've left all of us high and dry because you can't stomach the fact that a 17 yr guy and a newhire were equals in this merger - they absolutely were regardless of the spin you put on the facts.

When your buddies get sick, run off runways, shoot holes in planes and whatever your fellow miscreants can get yourselves into, you're going to realize what a terrible mistake you've made. When you go to Doug and get laughed at with your demands and then go to a judge and get laughed at again, it's really going to set in. At every step of the way, you've been told 'no'. That isn't going to change. You feel like you've won, but the reality is far different.

I'm ashamed to be even losely associated with scum like yourself.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

How does it feel being at the highest pay level you have ever had? Plus profit sharing! Must be nice.

That's not ALPA's fault. Its our MEC that dropped the ball.

Funny, the EAST is at its lowest and the West is at its highest compensation. No wonder you think ALPA is great. You are working under the best conditions you ever had. Thats too funny. You guys remind me of Skybus a year ago. Same talk. Fast upgrades and lots of airplanes on order.

We were moving in the right direction and you were about to go out of business. We bought you and now you think you are the "big dogs" on campus. That's the part that I think is funny. You guys are the laughing stock of the industry. Your airline was a failure because of people like you.

Anyway, good luck trying to get our flying. It won't happen. You will be fenced in your low yield market.

Yeah...we are soooo looking forward to being based in PHL flying EMB-190s for $40 an hour. Low yeild market??? See below...

You will enjoy exactly what you had prior to the merger. The desert and about 100 plus airplanes and your attrition. Hopefully you will see some growth in PHX and a few 330, which all belongs to you.

What I had before was an airline that was making enough money to buy you and was growing. I was looking at a 7-8 year upgrade...now who knows. Did we have the best contract? Heck no. But we were going into contract talks while the economy was pretty good. Now we may be facing a recession, we still don't have a good contract and we're stuck with you.

By the way, AWA Pilots could have saved ALPA by creating a 10-15 year fence, which would have protected the majority of us Eastholes and by not putting our reps in trusteeship who were just represting the will of its pilot group.

That's pretty much what were gonna get now. You're not going to be able to overthow the Nic award. No judge is going to touch it. So the most you can do is try to put up fences. I'm ok with fences because when the fences come down we'll still be protected by the Nic award.

Don't forget Parker has to sign the contract that you propose and he's not gonna sign something that costs the company alot of money or thats based on your emotional dribble.

But no, you wanted it all now. Did you westies ever think that placing a pilot with 17 years of service with a newhire was going to be excepted.

We want it all?? We just want to be placed on the seniority list relative to our seniority. You want the seniority list to reflect your longevity. 17 years of sevice is not 17 years of seniority. Your bottom guy has 17 years of service but he has zero seniority...he's the botom guy!!! Why should he move up the list at my expense??.

Besides, we didn't create the final award. Nicolau did. Go get pissed at him. We sat at the table with you and you wouldn't budge at all on DOH.

Our bottom active pilot went down the entire list. Nic did not merge the lists by using active pilots. Anyone who says MDA were not active USAIR pilots is clueless.

The MDA guys should not be included. Nicolau made the right call here.

In 10 years there might only be 500-1000 Eastholes left. So, just like a kid who can not wait, you will. Be patient and you will have the airline, just not now.
Rant over.

Marty

Hopefully less...and when we become the majority we won't forget any of this.









A few weeks back Continental shareholders recieved a merger analysis explaining the sinergies between Continental and United.

According to their research the top ten cities, ranked by O&D revenue are:

1. Los Angeles
2. Las Vegas
3. Chicago (Ohare)
4. Atlanta
5. Dallas/Ft. Worth
6. Orlando
7. San Fransisco
8. Phoenix
9. Denver
10. Newark

PHL was 16 and CLT was 30.

USAPA keeps claiming that the west loses money. Would you please cite your source of this info?

 

[Soulfly]

MCDU,

What does the AWA contract have to do with AAA pilots.

Our contracts were both negotiated well before this merger.


USAPA and many of your pilots have told the AWA pilots that LOA 93 works just fine.

So, whats your point?

BTW, how large were those profit sharing checks at AAA between 2000 and 2005? Please post numbers.

 

[737 Pylt]

USAPA keeps claiming that the west loses money. Would you please cite your source of this info?

Probably the same source that provided Baghdad Bob with his "we are winning this war," info.

737

 

[waveflyer]

mcdu-
seniority does not equal longevity.
if you had 17 years, but were the bottom pilot- than yes, that is how it works and what is fair. Why should a merger make you anything but the bottom pilot when that's what you were before?

the reward for 17 years is topped out pay- which is a valuable thing-proven by all the pilots who refused to leave it and start over at 1st year pay somewhere else.
You have noone to blame but your OWN pilot group for the MDA mess. You got sold out-- join the rest of the young pilots in this country who have been sold out by the older generations... (b-scale, scope)

Will you respond to my above post and do your best to explain why the East pilots believe that seniority and longevity are synonomous?

Again- if after 17 years you find yourself at the bottom of a seniority list- what is it about a merger that you believe should change that?


or is this thread just flame b/c merger messes are the pilot version of 'days of our lives'.. ...