Hey G-550 and Global EX guys

[gutshotdraw]

On a layover? Ask my friend that smashed his head and shoulder into a tree in Breckenridge last weekend on a layover and had to fly the next day. Single pilot. No, I think I'll stick with days off for skiing.

As for ANC, I'll take Moose's Tooth pizza winter, spring, summer, or fall.:beer:

 

[jet2work]

Back to the original question: Published range on the G550 is 6750NM. KEWR to ZBAA is just under 6000NM (like 5965).

Using today's conditions, LRC, and an optimized route. I was unable to make the trip work on Arinc Direct, even taking off with full fuel (41,300) and no pax, no reserve (essentially landing with zero fuel). I did not dig too deep, as we depart alot closer to ZBAA than KEWR and we always tech stop on the way there. Coming back, however is a different story.

I'm not saying that it cannot be done. I just couldn't get it to work using our planning software. The G550 has done 7300NM (read the statement below from Gulfstream)

The Gulfstream G550® large-cabin, ultra-long range business jet turned heads right from the start. Less than two weeks after it entered service, a G550 flew nonstop from Seoul, South Korea, to Orlando, Fla., covering the 7,301 nautical-mile distance in 14.5 hours and setting a city pair record. In fact, it would go on to establish 40 city-pair records in its first five years of service.

Only thing is, nobody will talk about how much fuel was left when they landed (takin' the 5th). It's one thing doing it inbound to the US. I don't think foreign controllers are gonna let you stay high so you can set a record.

 

[semperfido]

On a layover? Ask my friend that smashed his head and shoulder into a tree in Breckenridge last weekend on a layover and had to fly the next day. Single pilot. No, I think I'll stick with days off for skiing.

As for ANC, I'll take Moose's Tooth pizza winter, spring, summer, or fall.:beer:

Or my friend that broke his neck cruising up the lift line in Taos during a layover. Just caught an edge. Boom!

 

[semperfido]

I'm not saying that it cannot be done.



Only thing is, nobody will talk about how much fuel was left when they landed (takin' the 5th). It's one thing doing it inbound to the US. I don't think foreign controllers are gonna let you stay high so you can set a record.

Hey, we are talking real world here. No Factory pilots on board trying to impress the world. I just plan on flying about 12- 12.5 hrs and then I am looking for some place to land. So, as already stated numerous times before, refuel in PANC.. We would just take three guys and do the whole enchelada with a fuel stop.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Back to the original question: Published range on the G550 is 6750NM. KEWR to ZBAA is just under 6000NM (like 5965).

Using today's conditions, LRC, and an optimized route. I was unable to make the trip work on Arinc Direct, even taking off with full fuel (41,300) and no pax, no reserve (essentially landing with zero fuel). I did not dig too deep, as we depart alot closer to ZBAA than KEWR and we always tech stop on the way there. Coming back, however is a different story.

I'm not saying that it cannot be done. I just couldn't get it to work using our planning software. The G550 has done 7300NM (read the statement below from Gulfstream)

The Gulfstream G550® large-cabin, ultra-long range business jet turned heads right from the start. Less than two weeks after it entered service, a G550 flew nonstop from Seoul, South Korea, to Orlando, Fla., covering the 7,301 nautical-mile distance in 14.5 hours and setting a city pair record. In fact, it would go on to establish 40 city-pair records in its first five years of service.

Only thing is, nobody will talk about how much fuel was left when they landed (takin' the 5th). It's one thing doing it inbound to the US. I don't think foreign controllers are gonna let you stay high so you can set a record.

An OEM bullshiitin' real world range? never heard of that before...

PANC is a 30min turn, weather is rarely an issue, customs is usually very quick, etc...it just makes sense.

Stretching it home is no joy either - remember you need to clear customs. What is the weather goes down, delays etc...where can you go last minute where customs wont make a huge issue of it....if Newark you have to go to Albany..etc.

Having seen more than a few heroes try various versions of this it usually falls apart in the last few days (their balls get smaller) and causes way more headaches than ever worth.

Just another case of pilots making this job far more complex than it need be.

 

[jet2work]

An OEM bullshiitin' real world range? never heard of that before... .

I agree. 12 - 13 hours. Whatever kind of mileage you can get out of that is your range. And you better be hoping that all those forecasts of ISA minus temps and big tailwinds are accurate.

PANC is a 30min turn, weather is rarely an issue, customs is usually very quick, etc...it just makes sense..

And it is an opportunity to do a crew swap. Plus, no customs on the outbout to ZBAA.

Stretching it home is no joy either - remember you need to clear customs. What is the weather goes down, delays etc...where can you go last minute where customs wont make a huge issue of it....if Newark you have to go to Albany..etc..

Customs being one of the key factors here. Obviously if you are inbound over the US there are plenty of places to land. You will still look like a jackass to the boss for telling him you were going non-stop and then landing in Astabula, OH to get fuel. But your real problems begin when customs shows up.

Having seen more than a few heroes try various versions of this it usually falls apart in the last few days (their balls get smaller) and causes way more headaches than ever worth.

Just another case of pilots making this job far more complex than it need be.

I'm lucky...I don't know anyone like that Like I said, even though KEWR to ZBAA is less than 6000 miles, I could not get the performance figures to show that the trip was doable under current conditions. So not only is a tech stop the safer and smarter option, it is the only option.

One more consideration is that the Chinese are fond of keeping you on airways and at lower altitudes.

 

[semperfido]

On trips like that, I would mention to the man that there is the possibilty we may have to stop, so as to avoid looking like a jackass. BUT, if in doubt, it is better to plan the stop and have two .85 legs vs one slower leg. Then just go with the plan and take the pressure off. That is how I prefer to do it.

 

[G4G5]

We do the Tokyo to NYC direct, we do it because the man likes to get his sleep and stopping in ANC just messes up his beauty rest.

I would never consider it the other way to Beijing. I have looked at NYC to SEA so he could watch TV for 5+ hours vs losing it over YYZ, that would give him an extra hour or so in the rack on the second leg. We also looked at Beijing to Detroit so the man could sleep on the way home, but he said don't bother.

 

[BillJBrake]

it happens often enough, I'm surprised no one here is owning up...

 

[gutshotdraw]

Not any more thanks to 91K.