Hey G-550 and Global EX guys

[JJET44]

Just curious, can a G550 or Global make it from the NY area to Beijing Non-stop and if not where would/do you make your tech stops?

Thanks in advance

JJet

 

[gutshotdraw]

In a G-550, with perfect winds, theoretically yes. Personally, I'd rather tech stop and crew swap in ANC.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

No. PANC or PAFA

I know some who have done it. Over the top and on fumes into ZBAA.

I just have no need for that.

 

[91er]

In a G-550, with perfect winds, theoretically yes. Personally, I'd rather tech stop and crew swap in ANC.

This.

 

[AA717driver]

...and crew swap in ANC.

Weenie.

TC

 

[gutshotdraw]

Weenie.

TC

I don't have a 14 hour a$$....

 

[TMMT]

The very reason why I always loved the G-IV over the long legged V. There is never a perfectly good reason to overfly five star hotel, golf course or wet bar!

 

[ruhroa]

unless your the designatedpilot getting off in the tech stop for a week....like PANC in January

 

[Gulfstream 200]

unless your the designatedpilot getting off in the tech stop for a week....like PANC in January

Not much worse than a week in PANC in the winter. Man that sucks.

Summer is awesome, winter is like hell.

I always tried to be the Asia crew during the winter, and ride home on the plane coming back.

 

[wahoo250]

PANC in winter is great if you like to ski or snowmobile...

 

[gutshotdraw]

On a layover? Ask my friend that smashed his head and shoulder into a tree in Breckenridge last weekend on a layover and had to fly the next day. Single pilot. No, I think I'll stick with days off for skiing.

As for ANC, I'll take Moose's Tooth pizza winter, spring, summer, or fall.:beer:

 

[jet2work]

Back to the original question: Published range on the G550 is 6750NM. KEWR to ZBAA is just under 6000NM (like 5965).

Using today's conditions, LRC, and an optimized route. I was unable to make the trip work on Arinc Direct, even taking off with full fuel (41,300) and no pax, no reserve (essentially landing with zero fuel). I did not dig too deep, as we depart alot closer to ZBAA than KEWR and we always tech stop on the way there. Coming back, however is a different story.

I'm not saying that it cannot be done. I just couldn't get it to work using our planning software. The G550 has done 7300NM (read the statement below from Gulfstream)

The Gulfstream G550® large-cabin, ultra-long range business jet turned heads right from the start. Less than two weeks after it entered service, a G550 flew nonstop from Seoul, South Korea, to Orlando, Fla., covering the 7,301 nautical-mile distance in 14.5 hours and setting a city pair record. In fact, it would go on to establish 40 city-pair records in its first five years of service.

Only thing is, nobody will talk about how much fuel was left when they landed (takin' the 5th). It's one thing doing it inbound to the US. I don't think foreign controllers are gonna let you stay high so you can set a record.

 

[semperfido]

On a layover? Ask my friend that smashed his head and shoulder into a tree in Breckenridge last weekend on a layover and had to fly the next day. Single pilot. No, I think I'll stick with days off for skiing.

As for ANC, I'll take Moose's Tooth pizza winter, spring, summer, or fall.:beer:

Or my friend that broke his neck cruising up the lift line in Taos during a layover. Just caught an edge. Boom!

 

[semperfido]

I'm not saying that it cannot be done.



Only thing is, nobody will talk about how much fuel was left when they landed (takin' the 5th). It's one thing doing it inbound to the US. I don't think foreign controllers are gonna let you stay high so you can set a record.

Hey, we are talking real world here. No Factory pilots on board trying to impress the world. I just plan on flying about 12- 12.5 hrs and then I am looking for some place to land. So, as already stated numerous times before, refuel in PANC.. We would just take three guys and do the whole enchelada with a fuel stop.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Back to the original question: Published range on the G550 is 6750NM. KEWR to ZBAA is just under 6000NM (like 5965).

Using today's conditions, LRC, and an optimized route. I was unable to make the trip work on Arinc Direct, even taking off with full fuel (41,300) and no pax, no reserve (essentially landing with zero fuel). I did not dig too deep, as we depart alot closer to ZBAA than KEWR and we always tech stop on the way there. Coming back, however is a different story.

I'm not saying that it cannot be done. I just couldn't get it to work using our planning software. The G550 has done 7300NM (read the statement below from Gulfstream)

The Gulfstream G550® large-cabin, ultra-long range business jet turned heads right from the start. Less than two weeks after it entered service, a G550 flew nonstop from Seoul, South Korea, to Orlando, Fla., covering the 7,301 nautical-mile distance in 14.5 hours and setting a city pair record. In fact, it would go on to establish 40 city-pair records in its first five years of service.

Only thing is, nobody will talk about how much fuel was left when they landed (takin' the 5th). It's one thing doing it inbound to the US. I don't think foreign controllers are gonna let you stay high so you can set a record.

An OEM bullshiitin' real world range? never heard of that before...

PANC is a 30min turn, weather is rarely an issue, customs is usually very quick, etc...it just makes sense.

Stretching it home is no joy either - remember you need to clear customs. What is the weather goes down, delays etc...where can you go last minute where customs wont make a huge issue of it....if Newark you have to go to Albany..etc.

Having seen more than a few heroes try various versions of this it usually falls apart in the last few days (their balls get smaller) and causes way more headaches than ever worth.

Just another case of pilots making this job far more complex than it need be.