Hey all you PFTers!

[flyburg]

So just to clarify,

Southwest requires you to have a 73 type, so dudes go out in drones to buy a type at some place and fork up 5 to 10k.

I got hired in 95 at CHQ and had to pay for the type.

If I had gone out to some place and gotten the type and then got hired at CHQ, would I then not be a PFT, just as the Guys at southwest?

Or maybe you say, southwest requires you to have the type to show competitive quals. So by that reasoning CHQ could have required to have a J31 type to be qualified, go get it before you are even considered? Would that have been better?

We can go 'round and 'round but it is just a fundamentally flawed discussion. It's a free market economy, supply and demand

Back in the '90 almost al companies had PFT because the supply exceeded the demand, it's called a free market economy.

For all hate PFT types, next time you see a southwest guy, go over, kick him in the b..ls, and tell him you hate pft, make sure you mention your name to him though

 

[enigma]

So just to clarify,

Southwest requires you to have a 73 type, so dudes go out in drones to buy a type at some place and fork up 5 to 10k.

I got hired in 95 at CHQ and had to pay for the type.

If I had gone out to some place and gotten the type and then got hired at CHQ, would I then not be a PFT, just as the Guys at southwest?

Or maybe you say, southwest requires you to have the type to show competitive quals. So by that reasoning CHQ could have required to have a J31 type to be qualified, go get it before you are even considered? Would that have been better?

We can go 'round and 'round but it is just a fundamentally flawed discussion. It's a free market economy, supply and demand

Back in the '90 almost al companies had PFT because the supply exceeded the demand, it's called a free market economy.

For all hate PFT types, next time you see a southwest guy, go over, kick him in the b..ls, and tell him you hate pft, make sure you mention your name to him though

SWA is not PFT. PFT requires one to write a check to the employer. SWA doesn't care where you got the type rating. In other words, they aren't making any money off of their applicants in a type rating scheme.

You people need to stop trying to justify your job purchase by trying to hide behind SWA

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Yet you are bashing Jet University for people getting a CRJ course yet Pinnacle does not get any of that money. Make up your mind on your definition.

 

[Sawmill]

Im just wondering. Who out there would NOT go buy a 737 type for 5K if you were offered a job at Southwest? This is not an invite to blather on about the PFT debate...just wondering who would not.

 

[Nindiri]

People who can't grasp the concept of making a small investment now for a huge return later.

 

[Whydoitry]

Since to be an evil PFT one must pay their employer, all COEX now XJT pilots are ok because we paid Flight Safety. And we never bought the job, we interviewed first and were given a conditional offer of employment pending completion of training. If you were buying the job then wouldn't you have to be guaranteed that job once you paid for it? Pay for training and pay for employment are two very different things. And even if they weren't, so what? Why are you so bitter about it? How did it hurt your career? During the PFT years major airline contracts were the best they had ever been. Now regionals hire 250hr pilots and major contracts are worse than their regional partners. (XJT has a much better contract than CAL) Bring back PFT and lets see some improvement to the Legacy contracts.

 

[flyburg]

SWA is not PFT. PFT requires one to write a check to the employer. SWA doesn't care where you got the type rating. In other words, they aren't making any money off of their applicants in a type rating scheme.

You people need to stop trying to justify your job purchase by trying to hide behind SWA

Ooh thank god, since I paid FSI and not CHQ I'm not a PFT.

Having just learned that: I hate all you PFT guys.

Sjeese, the arguments are getting more stupid by the day.

 

[Sawmill]

People who can't grasp the concept of making a small investment now for a huge return later.

Exactly!

I paid for all my training.................I hate myself.

 

[MMO 0.705]

And he won't have to give management a hand job behind the dumpster like you did to get there. End justifies the means right?

I know im late in this thread but I have to say that totally sums up what we had to do when we got out of college in 2002 december. Thanks for that. I got a good laugh after 8 days on the road.

 

[The_Russian]

How does it feel to know you paid 10-15K for a regional job and they can't even get enough 250 hour wonders to fill the seats nowadays. Paid hotel rooms in training, signing bonuses, even notorious PFT pioneer Gulfstream is having to hire and train legitimate FO's. That's got to hurt. How does that decision seem now in hindsight? GIA guys who "flowed through" to Pinnacle? Colgan guys who spent 18K to fly the 1900? Comair dudes? MAPD pay-for-interview scheme? Where are all you guys? Was it worth it?

There is only one thing I would want to change. I would go back in time and surgically replace my eyes with ones that work better. Then I could have flown for my country instead of listening to all of you cry babies whine all the time.

Try to increase your caliber a little by getting over this PFT thing. Once you do, life will get easier for you and you won't feel so cheated.

 

[siucavflight]

Your country still has airworthy airplanes?

 

[The_Russian]

HAHAHAHAHA Foolish American!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Not too worry... hating PFT is the flavor of the month. Next year the chicks, blacks and PFTers will be well clear of the haters as they descend upon, with ignorance, drivel and dribble on the Multi Crew Pilots Licenses crowd.....

 

[Whydoitry]

I guess I just don't understand. What does PFT have to do with the industry today?

 

[flyburg]

Nothing at all,

Generally being brought up by very frustrated dudes in between yerking off sesions behind the screen. Like R O L said, this time it's PFT, next month 250 hr pilots, then chicks etc, etc.

What's so hard about just concentrating on your own career in the current situation trying your hardest to achieve your own personal goal. There is absolutely nothing to gain in coming on these boards and bitch and complain about others, especially about things that happened in the past. It doesn't help your own goals.

I've said it already and I'll repeat, there is a reason threads like these start in the regional forum...frustration!

 

[PCL_128]

Ooh thank god, since I paid FSI and not CHQ I'm not a PFT.

Having just learned that: I hate all you PFT guys.

Sjeese, the arguments are getting more stupid by the day.

I guess I'm safe too. Since Gulfstream Training Academy and Gulfstream Airlines are two different companies, and I wrote my check to the academy, I guess I didn't PFT after all. Dang all you dirty PFTers!!!

You're right. This discussion takes a more moronic turn every time it comes up on this site.

 

[FR8mastr]

I guess I just don't understand. What does PFT have to do with the industry today?

Easy its two fold. First by these individuals shelling out 10Gs or more to get a job, company "A" did not have to pay a pilot any money. this in turn caused company "B" to decrease their wages or start charging their own employees in order to compete. This over the course of the last 15 years has been the major reason our pay is so low, expecially at the regional level. But not to be forgotten the majors have felt the "our pilots will work for less" crap, and have had major outsourcing to the lowest bidder.

2nd These same individuals will do it again, they will undercut you in a freakin heartbeat, because they are only 1/2 step from being a scab. IF this industry ever recovers enough to again have a picket line, Look for all these same pilots to be the first ones to cross, because hey "I am just trying to get a leg up" or " Hey I can make Captain faster this way, and besides I didnt start the strike its just a free market ."

The fact that many on here seem not to know the difference between training and buying a job, really makes me wonder if this industry has any hope at all.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Easy its two fold. First by these individuals shelling out 10Gs or more to get a job, company "A" did not have to pay a pilot any money. this in turn caused company "B" to decrease their wages or start charging their own employees in order to compete. This over the course of the last 15 years has been the major reason our pay is so low, expecially at the regional level. But not to be forgotten the majors have felt the "our pilots will work for less" crap, and have had major outsourcing to the lowest bidder.

2nd These same individuals will do it again, they will undercut you in a freakin heartbeat, because they are only 1/2 step from being a scab. IF this industry ever recovers enough to again have a picket line, Look for all these same pilots to be the first ones to cross, because hey "I am just trying to get a leg up" or " Hey I can make Captain faster this way, and besides I didnt start the strike its just a free market ."

The fact that many on here seem not to know the difference between training and buying a job, really makes me wonder if this industry has any hope at all.

Its called America! The free market system! Don't like it? Move to Europe or China.

 

[FR8mastr]

Its called America! The free market system! Don't like it? Move to Europe or China.

In all seriousness, do you really believe paying sombody that employes you is the same as a free market? please tell me you are just flaming.

Otherwise I might start playing professional football, I am sure me and tens of thousands of others would love to pay just to get to play again, same thing right?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

In all seriousness, do you really believe paying sombody that employes you is the same as a free market? please tell me you are just flaming.

I already made my arguement......

You can't control it. It is not illegal or unethical. You may not like it.... we live in a competitive economy.

Why don't you focus your energy on something you can control and influence and make your immediate world a bit better.... but this is you pet issue. So is this it? Moniker message board mantra? That is your solution to PFT?

The problem is guys who think like you create a bias and conciet and you snub your fellow pilots who you think are not worthy...

Your fellow pilot is your fellow pilot. Once we get hired we are all the same...