Here we go LUV!!!

[Skybus]

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080724/earns_southwest.html

Beating estimates.

 

[SennaP1]

Let the Big Dog eat.
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[Hutchman]

Too bad the company has to fly airplanes. If they didn't they would be making tons on money. See $500 million dollar gain from fuel hedging. I am not sure how good this news really is. Don't get me wrong, profits ARE good news. Especially right now. Congrats.

 

[B727Driver]

And employing 30,000+ with benefits, good wages, profitsharing, 401(k) that is matched by the company, no furloughs......the list goes on.

I guess they really do not know what they are doing.

Any better anywhere else? This sounds like good news compared to the rest of the industry.

 

[JT12345]

LUV got lucky is all.

They hedged for different reasons than having a crystal ball telling them oil would be $140 a barrel. Success in this industry is no longer about a solid business plan.

I will say that LUV made their luck.

 

[ivauir]

Too bad the company has to fly airplanes. If they didn't they would be making tons on money. See $500 million dollar gain from fuel hedging. I am not sure how good this news really is. Don't get me wrong, profits ARE good news. Especially right now. Congrats.

Seriously, don't speak on that which you have no knowledge. Ask yourself this:

Where does the money to buy the hedges come from?

How can people make statements like this quarter after quarter? Has SWA invented a financial self licking ice cream cone? A fuel hedges driven perpetual motion machine? Or is it possible that the hedges are part of a business strategy that is designed to survive a declining economy as well as flourish a prosperous one?

Can't wait to read the same stupid comments next quarter ...

 

[JT12345]

When oil was $40 a barrel and they hedged for $50 I heard the bean counterman who did it almost got fired. Guess he is a hero overthere now.

I will give you guys credit for having the spare cash to hedge when most companies were struggling.

For the legacies this has been the most shortlived turnaround. I think the hiring lasted less than a year.

 

[ASADFW7]

"I heard" great source.

It is true some of the stupidest comments are related to people who just can figure SWA out. Good Luck with that.

 

[airlinepilot]

You can bet the Management will not paint too pretty of a picture because the Pilot, FA's, rampers/agents and MX contracts are all in the works. The thing about no growth in 2009 is a shot at the pilot groupl because the company wanted to trade "growth for a pay freeze".

 

[Full of LUV]

It's not about spare cash, it's about smart bets....

When oil was $40 a barrel and they hedged for $50 I heard the bean counterman who did it almost got fired. Guess he is a hero overthere now.

I will give you guys credit for having the spare cash to hedge when most companies were struggling.

For the legacies this has been the most shortlived turnaround. I think the hiring lasted less than a year.

Actually, the hedges they have in place now are so valuable, the counter parties have to deposit huge sums of cash with SWA to ensure that the opposite bet is still good. This credit/ cash infusion allows the program to keep churning the investments for the future. Success breeds success. Obviously the only thing that could derail the program would be for oil to drop to $40 / barrell again, but then they would be paying a lot less on the fuel bill. Like Kelly said in the article, this insurance is less risky than going without hedges which is much more risky.
Bravo

 

[Flyer1015]

The only reason SWA has been making profits in todays 120-140 dollar per barrel oil industry is because of their hedges.

If it wasn't for the hedges, they'd lose money.


And keep in mind that SWA being paid well and now are the highest paid pax pilots has everything to do with the fact that the legacies all took termendous paycuts after 9/11, to the point where SWA wages are higher than even a 747 Captain at a legacy.

And, before 9/11, whether you like it or not, SWA was considered a 'second' tier airline to end up at, and everyone's first choice was a legacy carrier.

How things change..........................

 

[FlyinGuy]

JT, I bet you HEARD that tid bit from your inside source!!! HA

 

[JT12345]

Heard it from a Southwest pilot. Do you know if it's true?

 

[contrail67]

The only reason SWA has been making profits in todays 120-140 dollar per barrel oil industry is because of their hedges.

If it wasn't for the hedges, they'd lose money.


And keep in mind that SWA being paid well and now are the highest paid pax pilots has everything to do with the fact that the legacies all took termendous paycuts after 9/11, to the point where SWA wages are higher than even a 747 Captain at a legacy.

And, before 9/11, whether you like it or not, SWA was considered a 'second' tier airline to end up at, and everyone's first choice was a legacy carrier.

How things change..........................

Not sure things have changed at all.....first choice for alot is still a legacy for personal reasons....they are just not hiring....can't do much about that. And some folks first choice is SWA. Sometimes the best airline out there is the one that hires you....

 

[Chest Rockwell]

1015, You just don't get it.

SWA since the early 90's. Made as much or more than my contemperaries hired at the same time or even earlier at legacy carriers. Pay per hour was less, yes, but I flew much more and pretty much the same number of days.

It is shortsided to focus only on the pay rate rather than pay per day. Some do not wish to work as much and that is okay. But the efficiency that is lost when more pilots (pay+benefits) are required to do a similar amount of flying has the net result in putting job security at risk.

 

[Quimby]

The only reason SWA has been making profits in todays 120-140 dollar per barrel oil industry is because of their hedges.

If it wasn't for the hedges, they'd lose money.


And keep in mind that SWA being paid well and now are the highest paid pax pilots has everything to do with the fact that the legacies all took termendous paycuts after 9/11, to the point where SWA wages are higher than even a 747 Captain at a legacy.

And, before 9/11, whether you like it or not, SWA was considered a 'second' tier airline to end up at, and everyone's first choice was a legacy carrier.

How things change..........................

sounds like you've got it all figured out.

 

[get2flyin]

Leave it to Southwest to blow their own horn. Of course, if I could blow my own horn...I'd never leave the house.

 

[Mach 80]

Other airlines, and I know for sure Delta, had fuel hedges a few years ago, but they sold them off to raise cash. SWA didn't sell their's. So much for "luck". How about sharp, shrewd management instead.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

And, before 9/11, whether you like it or not, SWA was considered a 'second' tier airline to end up at, and everyone's first choice was a legacy carrier.

You really don't know what you are talking about...I was at a legacy...and wanted to work at SWA.....the dday after I got my 737 type at the legacy, I sent in my app to SWA...

It wasn't my "second Tier"...but my first...and I am thrilled with my choice.

 

[Fltlvls]

LUV got lucky is all.

They hedged for different reasons than having a crystal ball telling them oil would be $140 a barrel. Success in this industry is no longer about a solid business plan.

I will say that LUV made their luck.

Just shows that smart management make smart decisions unlike mamagement that thinks they are smart make poor decisions...If the legacy carriers would read the book "NUTS" they could learn a lot about how to run an airline ...If i remember correctly Herb Kelleher was quoted as saying "It's not rocket science".

 

[Auburn_CFI]

1015, You just don't get it.

SWA since the early 90's. Made as much or more than my contemperaries hired at the same time or even earlier at legacy carriers. Pay per hour was less, yes, but I flew much more and pretty much the same number of days.

It is shortsided to focus only on the pay rate rather than pay per day. Some do not wish to work as much and that is okay. But the efficiency that is lost when more pilots (pay+benefits) are required to do a similar amount of flying has the net result in putting job security at risk.

What does shortsided mean? I have heard the term shortsighted but never shortsided. Contemporaries is spelled with an O.

Spelling and grammar lesson complete. Now take out your social studies books so that we can really see all that is wrong with this post.

 

[TZtoSWA]

What does shortsided mean? I have heard the term shortsighted but never shortsided. Contemporaries is spelled with an O.

Spelling and grammar lesson complete. Now take out your social studies books so that we can really see all that is wrong with this post.

AUO CFI, don't waste your time worrying about how others spell. If you are really a CFI at Robert G. Pitts airport then you are definitely wasting your time reading this board worrying about how people spell. There are alot more important things to chase around while you are down there on the plains. At least there was when I was there.

 

[Auburn_CFI]

AUO CFI, don't waste your time worrying about how others spell. If you are really a CFI at Robert G. Pitts airport then you are definitely wasting your time reading this board worrying about how people spell. There are alot more important things to chase around while you are down there on the plains. At least there was when I was there.

I agree. I often wish I was still there. Haven't been a CFI in Auburn for quite some time but it was still the best job I've had in this industry. I didn't realize it at the time. War Eagle, only one month to kickoff. By the way, I married one of those Auburn girls that I chased around the plains while I was there.

 

[TZtoSWA]

I agree. I often wish I was still there. Haven't been a CFI in Auburn for quite some time but it was still the best job I've had in this industry. I didn't realize it at the time. War Eagle, only one month to kickoff. By the way, I married one of those Auburn girls that I chased around the plains while I was there.

Glad you married an AU girl. I CFI'd there but it was not to my liking with all the King Air politics and what at that time was a worthless airport manager.

 

[pipejockey]

And employing 30,000+ with benefits, good wages, profitsharing, 401(k) that is matched by the company, no furloughs......the list goes on.

I guess they really do not know what they are doing.

Any better anywhere else? This sounds like good news compared to the rest of the industry.

Good wages?? Are the rates posted on airlinepilotcentral wrong then? Because that aint good!! 737 pilots at a few of the legacies were being paid that 10 years ago, with contracts that were either in the works or already a done deal at the likes of United and Delta that would have had 737 guys topping out at nearly 250 an hour! You guys are 60 dollars an hour behind the curve.

401K? You gotta be kidding me! They were never intended to be used to base a retirement on.

And as far as your question about being better anywhere else, well I guess I would have to agree with you. But that is not because you all have been trailblazers, on the contrary, you have won the long war of attrition. Congratulations, I hope you are proud of yourselves. I mean comparing southworst to the legacies is like comparing the difference between being homeless and living in cardboard box in some subway alley (legacies) and living in a van down by the river (southworst)!! Yeah, I guess you guys certainly are industry leaders!uke:

 

[Chest Rockwell]

What does shortsided mean? I have heard the term shortsighted but never shortsided. Contemporaries is spelled with an O.

Spelling and grammar lesson complete. Now take out your social studies books so that we can really see all that is wrong with this post.

I guess it is a good thing that I do not type for a living.

 

[scoreboardII]

Good wages?? Are the rates posted on airlinepilotcentral wrong then? Because that aint good!! 737 pilots at a few of the legacies were being paid that 10 years ago, with contracts that were either in the works or already a done deal at the likes of United and Delta that would have had 737 guys topping out at nearly 250 an hour! You guys are 60 dollars an hour behind the curve.

401K? You gotta be kidding me! They were never intended to be used to base a retirement on.

And as far as your question about being better anywhere else, well I guess I would have to agree with you. But that is not because you all have been trailblazers, on the contrary, you have won the long war of attrition. Congratulations, I hope you are proud of yourselves. I mean comparing southworst to the legacies is like comparing the difference between being homeless and living in cardboard box in some subway alley (legacies) and living in a van down by the river (southworst)!! Yeah, I guess you guys certainly are industry leaders!uke:

Here's your opportunity pipejock, please name the better airline flying 737's. Also, provide factual data supporting your claim.









Oh, thats right, you can't.

 

[Cobra17]

Good wages?? Are the rates posted on airlinepilotcentral wrong then? Because that aint good!! 737 pilots at a few of the legacies were being paid that 10 years ago, with contracts that were either in the works or already a done deal at the likes of United and Delta that would have had 737 guys topping out at nearly 250 an hour! You guys are 60 dollars an hour behind the curve.

Good point. I hope no one in management at the legacies has suffered similar pay cuts. Those visionary leaders are certainly worth millions.

Speaking of the curve, when are the legacies gonna stop lowering it?

 

[pipejockey]

Good point. I hope no one in management at the legacies has suffered similar pay cuts. Those visionary leaders are certainly worth millions.

Speaking of the curve, when are the legacies gonna stop lowering it?

Maybe the legacies can stop lowering it when southworst stops using every capacity cut they make as an opportunity to flood the market with more seats. We are trying to raise fares by cutting capacity in case you weren't informed.

And where did I ever lead you to believe I am in support of legacy management? They are pukes, they are the lowest form of life on earth, they are not even human freaking beings, they are nothing but unorganized grabastic pieces of amphibious sh*t. I LOATHE them!!!

 

[scoreboardII]

And where did I ever lead you to believe I am in support of legacy management? They are pukes, they are the lowest form of life on earth, they are not even human freaking beings, they are nothing but unorganized grabastic pieces of amphibious sh*t. I LOATHE them!!!

Yet you continue to work for them, thats very shall we say, fitting...