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Latest rumor I heard from a friend of a friend...

Herb wants to move in on all the wounded giants out there (UA, AA, USA, etc) with his 737's like a wave of money-making Liliputions.

Seems like he wants SWA poised to cash in when the economy finally turns the corner.

Expect massive hiring in the next 3-5 years. So get your apps in, get your type, and stay current.
 
more rumors...

heard from somewhere that classes might take a delay for a month or 2 due to uncertainty in mid-east & 1Q profits being low.... just a rumor, but who knows.... SWA has always been cautious....

Not what I want to see right now..... hopefully just what I said, a rumor, nothing more....?

Tred
 
Whoa big fellow!!

Just kidding, tred, you're doing a great job. Now if you can just do something about that ring around the pool...geez, looks like a cure for cancer could be in that stuff!!!!

Anyway, hang in there guys. The train is moving out of the station & moving forward. Steady as she goes for Feb for now, more to follow in later months. War may slow things up a little but remember, we have planes that have already arrived last qtr, more airplanes coming this qtr & next. We can't keep adding airplanes without some folks to fly them. Of course nothing is certain but just as the markets have discounted the war somewhat, SWA (IMHO) has factored in some of these factors also. Hedging is going well.

In quarterly reports in the past Kelly/Parker after thanking everyone for helping us make money for the reporting quarter, they usually launch in to a series of comments that paint a very dire & bleak picture for the current quarter to the point of even saying "we don't know if we'll make a profit". While they have painted this picture for 2nd quarter (which is fairly standard in post 911 environment) he implied a profit for this quarter appeared to be pretty certain...that is definitely new in going out on a limb for the current quarter. War or no war, folks are going to need to fly & if the economy gets tough they're going to look for even more bargains...that's LLC. The other folks will be hurting (unfortunately, I & no one wish to have folks unemployed) & changes will occur. New routes will open most likely.

Keep your towel nearby & even those folks who maybe hoping to get into the pool for an interview, get ready!!! Now is the time to MAKE SURE all your ducks are lined up for an interview. The last thing you want is to be hurrying around. Have you reviewed the questions? Do you have good handle on your flying experiences you wish to talk about? Are your records flawless? Have you checked your credit rating lately? Can you say identity theft!!!! Have you sorted out any FAA problems in the past & gotten all the documentation together? You can wait or get it now.

I just found out the other day someone with a similar name to my wife (actually with similar initials) with a SS# very close to hers had terrible credit & this had caused some concern to lenders looking at us for a refinancing deal. That would've slowed the review process if she had had a background check going on for her. Could that happen to you?

Now do I know if interviews are starting next week? No. Do I think they will? No. Do I know when? No but anything is possible (don't we all know that) and you need to be ready for the call, whenever it may come.

For guys in the pool, think about contributing lessons learned on your interview with SWA. What was your weak point? What was your strong point? What would you do differently? What surprised you? Pass along these lessons to the lurkers out there who need a life line also. Remember, these are the guys that are going to move you up in the seniority list...start feeding them the good stuff now!! Enough rants.. ...thanks to those who contribute. Hope to see some folks tomorrow at the HPA table at Air Inc (not an endorsement to attend, I'm not recruiting folks for Kit), I'll be shaking a few hands for awhile before I go out to fly. cheers & God Bless,
 
LiveFreeorDie,

Where did you hear that?
 
Heard it from a former SunCountry Pilot

who I work with who heard it from "a friend of his" who works for SWA. So it is like third-teenth hand, but I thought it sounded positive. (Well maybe not if you are furloughed from one of the airlines that SWA maybe going after--unless you decide to interview at SWA.)

Anyways hadn't seen anything in a while, so thought I would stir the pot. It does sound like the mgmt at Southwest--to prepare now to take advantage of the market later.

Why do you ask?
 
STOP IT!

You guys are killing me with these rumors!
Here I sit on the cusp of leaving the pool and what do we get? "SWA is exploding!" no wait, "Retreat!!! No hiring for a couple of months ...". Add to this Tricare (try to get care) "lost" all of our credit card numbers and SSNs (that should be good for the final background check) ... and you get the receipe for an ulcer. If I was at home I would go snuggle one of my kids ... but I am not. So I will post this petite rant instead.

Seriously, I think we all appreciate any and all information we can get. Maybe next week will bring good news:

Sadam dies from a severe hangnail.
Herb is revealed to be Elvis' son.
Osama is in He!! forced to masquerade as one of the 72 virgins.
SWA hires 600 in 03.
I am suddenly tall.

BTW my semi confirmed rumor is that there will be "at least one" class in March.

For the record, my prediction is that the majoity of folks in that class will hear something next Tuesday (the 28th) for a 3 Mar ETA. Furthermore, SWA will continue to run classes month to month with a 4 week call out until the feces hits the rotating ocillator. At which point who knows.
 
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Hmmm...

ivauir:

Ya know, if I was a bettin' man (and I am,) I'd say you're predictions are probably pretty accurate. With the uncertainty ahead in the Middle East, I could see SWA backing off to one class a month for March and beyond until things settle down a bit. Not what everyone wants to hear, but when you consider the alternatives in today's industry, one class a month is better than 1000+ pilots on the street.

It's like the old story about the father and son bulls standing at the top of the hill looking down at a pasture full of grazing cows. It goes something like this: Bull says to father, "Hey, pop, why don't we run down there and **** one of those cows!!!" to which the father bull replies, "Better yet, son, why don't we WALK down there and **** them all."

Does the bull story help? Just trying to ease the pain. ;)
 
RightBettor, that story made me laugh....but I'm still feeling the same stomach pain I felt last March.:(
 
chase said:
For guys in the pool, think about contributing lessons learned on your interview with SWA. What was your weak point? What was your strong point? What would you do differently? What surprised you? Pass along these lessons to the lurkers out there who need a life line also.

Chase,

I thought I was a stalker, not a lurker. ;) And it's not really stalking, it's hanging out with friends who don't know you're there.

Thanks for the encouragement.

Yahtz...lurking at a pool near you
 
thanks again chase....

it killed me to get that info - second hand it was.....

Posting it here was an attempt to flush out something positive and to give others, like myself, a chance to call around to buddies and confirm/deny the existance of such thoughts.....

It makes the ol' tummy do flip flops to be SO close and then have to think that perhaps the waiting (wading) my not be over.... ugh!!

As usual Chase, your views on subjects as these are GREATLY appreciated;) , I'll speak for the whole swim team here - your thoughts and outlook are a calming source in a rumor filled, uncertain, day to day grind that we have all been part of for months.

I know where we are going - I just want to be there so darn bad that I get my panties in a wad every now and then.... must be my Army helicopter background, or perhaps the time my Dad dropped me on my head when I was a baby....? WHo knows -

Keep the warm, fuzzy rumors coming - Thanks again!

Tred;)
 
You guys are great!!
 
read,

"Gulliver's Travels"..... the old small vs. BIG and wins story.... Actually a pretty good book! - was even a cartoon on Sat. am years ago.....

Tred
 
Thrown another biscut

In the past few minutes of reading these post I have gone from elated to crying to calm to laughing my a$$ off. What is going on!!!!!!!

So, my answer to all of this is to add fuel to the fire.

Spoke to LL the other day and she said that they are looking to hire around 300 this 1st Qtr and that I am some where around the 7th class. I am currently number 87th on the unofficial list.

This is both good and bad. In months past it has always been 180 to 200 for the 1st Qtr. So, 300 is a bonus. But, before I was expecting to be in around April, now it seems I may not be in until May. That is with 2 classes a month.

This is driving me insane. But, I am glad I am not the only one in this boat. Pardon the pun, but seems like we are in an ocean rather than a pool and we are trying to float to shore with out a paddle. Kinda like Tom Hanks in that FedEx movie. All I need is a soccer ball to paint a face on.

Patience is a virtue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Flyky
 
Flyky,
Hey, I know it is only speculation and rumor, but when you say "1st Qtr"..... do you mean 1st half?
Anyways, I give up. Ditto to what indapool says.
 
The above ground pool

HOUMAN,

I love the above ground pool Avatar you have there. I'd seen it before, but never really paid any close attention to it. I only count only 6 bobbing heads in there though.

Is this a logo off a hat or shirt? You and Tredding ought to get together and start your own clothing line.

Coop
 
Not in the pool, but I know a guy who is

hey, SWA can go ahead and hyper extend themselves financially to go into those markets... cause it will really be funny when the big guys get their act back together and start squashing out the little guys again. A pendulum swings both ways.
 
Maybe you looking at the wrong scorecard

WrightAvia said:
hey, SWA can go ahead and hyper extend themselves financially to go into those markets... cause it will really be funny when the big guys get their act back together and start squashing out the little guys again. A pendulum swings both ways.


WrightAvia,

Did I miss something are did SWA just make their 30th straight year of profits? And just when did the "little guys" get squashed by the big guys? The "big guys" may make more money when the economy is booming, but SWA has proven the ability to make money when the economy falters. I prefer consistent profits, not chaotic ones, whether large or small.

Just my guess, but a convervative company doesn't hyperextend themselves into markets...they look for opportunities to grow taking acceptable risks, not mortgaging the whole house.

I have friends in Atlanta who drive to Birmingham to fly SWA to Phoenix to see their son and his family. SWA doen's fly into CO, GA, and SC. I hope to see service into SC (CAE or GSP) soon. GA will take a long time to crack for various reasons, but trust me, their are many Georgians looking for an alternative to Delta and Airtran.

SWA does, can and will compete with other carriers, but they will do so on their terms, on their timetable, when they are ready.

Yahtz
 
WrightAvia,
do all of us a favor and crawl back under the rock from which you came.
 
There is a difference between having your act together and getting your act together.
 
And there is a difference between acting like a moron (drunk at superbowl party) and being a moron (intellectually challenged like Wright Avia.)
 
News Alert!!!!!!!!!

I've heard from reliable sources that Herb is going to take over MLB next season and send Bud Selig on his way. Maybe he can jump start America's national pasttime.

Adios,

SR
 
Re: Thrown another biscut

Flyky said:


Spoke to LL the other day and she said that they are looking to hire around 300 this 1st Qtr and that I am some where around the 7th class. I am currently number 87th on the unofficial list.

This is both good and bad. In months past it has always been 180 to 200 for the 1st Qtr. So, 300 is a bonus. But, before I was expecting to be in around April, now it seems I may not be in until May. That is with 2 classes a month.


300 in the first quarter?!! Has anyone else heard this from LL?
 
Not a peep

I haven't heard the 300 in the 1Q rumor. You would think LUV keeps that info Top Secret/SCI. If it is true, I'll be doin' cheetah flips for the remainder of the quarter.

Adios,

SR
 
Cool your jets about the 300 in the 1st Q, folks. I don't know where that came from, but LL mentioned yesterday (if I may) that 140-200 for the YEAR was still the official projection. Of course that's subject to change; Gary Kelly mentioned last week that Iraq was the big wildcard. If it gets ugly over there and the whole industry deteriorates, it could get ugly for us. On the other hand, if that turns out OK but one of our competitors tanks, I'm guessing our pool would drain fairly quickly. LL said they were thinking about the possibility of one March class, but that wouldn't be announced until the middle of February. They will think about classes month to month after that, depending on how things are going. However, if things remain the same, there will be more deliveries and pilot retirements in '04, so the hiring in '04 looks much brighter. The other good news is that they still LUV us, I feel, and all we need to do is be patient and our time will come, Lord willing. I just keep praying, as others have mentioned, and any little tiny thing I can do to help SWA I do.
When I call the employee newsline, I always use my cell phone and dial the Dallas area code, as opposed to the 800 # that would cost SWA some money. When I'm taxiing out to 21L in DTW, and there's a SWA plane told to wait for me to pass before taxiing, I mention the obligatory "I am not worthy" to my FO and increase my "brisk walk" taxi speed to a more "SWA style" brisk walk taxi speed, thereby saving SWA 2 or 3 cents worth of gas just waiting there. And the couple of times I've rode on SWA this year I always make it a point to clean up the area around me when I leave, including the seatback pockets, so it saves a real SWA employee from doing the work, cuts down turn time, and makes a better, clean airplane for the next real SWA customer to enjoy when they fly afterwards and will hopefully buy more tickets on SWA. I also transferred all my credit card balaces to my SWA visa (I know, I'm trying to pay it off...) and I think SWA makes some small percentage of the profit that the credit card company makes.
Little things, I know, but I want to help all I can to make the best airline in the world stay that way. I think all of us wannabees in the pool, as well as those hoping to get in the pool, should do the same. I'm excited that my dream airline would even consider me, let alone put me in the pool. One of my goals someday is to have a chief pilot say, "PT, I'm really glad we hired you." I'm going to do all I can to make that happen, and I don't have to wait until I'm hired to start trying. I can do little things now, as well as continue to be the best employee I can to my current employer.
Now I'm not sure how I got onto that big bunny trail, so forgive my wandering. Ya'll have a great day!
 
PT Inbound

Thanks for your effort. Whoa!! that's pretty impressive. We could use more customers like that. Glad to have you on board, hope to see you in DAL soon. Here is some more good news also:

Source: Air Transport World


Southwest Named Airline of the Year
Monday January 27, 7:02 am ET


WASHINGTON, D.C.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 27, 2003--Air Transport World Magazine, the leading monthly magazine covering the global airline industry, selected Dallas-based Southwest Airlines as its Airline of the Year for 2003. The editors praised the Southwest for its 30 consecutive years of profitability while providing affordable fares for millions of passengers.
ATW Editorial Director J.A. Donoghue stated: "Southwest is the original template of how low-fare airlines are supposed to operate," continuing to grow and prosper during the worst airline recession in history while earning profits of more than $700 million in the past two years.

Other award winners include ExpressJet, selected as ATW's Regional Airline of the Year. The Houston-based regional partner of Continental Airlines achieved a near-perfect 99% completion factor in 2002, while growing traffic 17%, boosting earnings 75% and completing a successful initial public stock offering.
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Some of you may already have this phone number but it provides some useful info on a week to week basis. Provides the latest gouge on what is happening that is being made public. Plus there is a flight ops hotline there also. Very interesting info.

CFO Gary Kelly Discusses 4Q, Yearend Earnings on Hot Line

Listen to Chief Financial Officer Gary Kelly’s thoughts on our financial performance. The News Line can be reached from any Southwest phone by dialing SDN 792-NEWS, or toll free at (877) I-FLY-737.
 
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helping out....

PT - great stuff you posted above!!!!

You got me thinking about what I have done in the past year also - I decided to fly ONLY on SWA a little more than a year ago, I figured that every time I walked on board a SWA jet, I would increase the load factor by 1.

Turns out that I have flown 53 times in the past 365 days! My commute to/from work and home has caused most of this flying. It has not gone without recognition from SWA either.

I have earned 6 free round trip tickets and was recently awarded a companion pass for my wife. The companion pass allows me to take my wife along on ANY flight I book, for FREE! It is good for a year.

I can now see why "Rapid Rewards" is voted #1 frequent flyer program year after year!! I have used my free tickets by simply picking up the phone and booking a flight. SWA has NEVER said I can't use my reward ticket!! I have enough points for several free tix on Delta, but EVERYtime I have tried to use them, I can't due to some "rule" that blocks my use of my points!

Yes PT, it looks as if the training may slow down a bit until we get through the uncertainty surrounding war/economy/etc., but WHEN the call comes in for all of us(and it WILL), I for one understand that we will be going to work for an awesome airline that KNOWS how to take care of customers AND employees.

And, BTW, as an employee, you can also participate in Rapid Rewards, earn points for all flights you pay for, and then fly on your free tickets as you earn them. Lots of SWA employees buy tickets (why not they are cheap) when they want/need to go somewhere without playing the "standby" game for free flights.

SO - sorry for rambling on & on... just some thoughts while I sit here waiting for the phone to ring.....

"Hello Mr. Tred this is Joe Jones I am Chief Pilot for Southwest Airlines, I would like to welcome you on board......"

I might just faint........

Have a great day everyone - hang in there - our time WILL come!

Regards - Tred
 
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Tred and Chase, thanks for the kind words. Buying tickets on SWA is for sure the way to go when you need to. Perhaps not on first year pay, but afterwards I think I'll just buy tickets on SWA for my family and I to go see the grandparents and cousins during Thanksgiving, Christmas, etc. Of course, I won't be getting Christmas/Tday off in my first year anyway, so it's a moot point... But let's all do what we can to keep SWA the best company to work for (and buy a ticket on!) in America!
 

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