Help drive a stake through Gulfstreams heart

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He can't be dumb it looks like he passed the Delta psychotic test. Unless he got in through the Northwest backdoor.

In thru the BACK DOOR? Ouch! Sounds like a prison movie to me!

 

[CX880]

Nice.

So...they are out of liquidation/aircraft repo threat for now?

In all seriousness, how is a company unable to remain solvent that has long-established ASA & codeshare agreements with Continental/United/Copa, skimp on about everything under the sun (to include auto parts), AND have about 40% of their pilots PAYING huge $$ to be there.

When I learned they were bankrupt, I was dumbfounded (due to factors referenced above). It almost makes you wonder if someone is/was skimming off the top.

It's the South Forida way. Their money skimming/laundering operations. Half the air executives there are convicted felons or are waiting for pending cases against them.

 

[CX880]

Nah, my dad was a chief pilot.

But you did pass the psycho test there right? Or did your dad have to alter the 6 into a 9?

 

[titans10]

Oh, and I agree totally with you...no one should ever pay for a job...makes it hard for the union to negotiate good rates for us when dudes out there will do it for less, for free, or actually pay!

1000's of pilots have PFT for jobs. How soon we forget.

Where/when did you fly the beer can.

 

[dojetdriver]

But you did pass the psycho test there right?

Well, so did the DAL pilot that got arrested for assault and rape.

 

[jppt2000]

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See how ridiculous that sounds when you apply it to any other industry?

Start a company that one has lots of experience with.
Instead of a doughnut shop, try applying it to a professional message board operator/moderator, unpaid, slamming GIA and PFT at every opportunity.
Include classes about denial and coping with stagnant jobs.

 

[taters]

PFT is like paying a prostitute for your first piece of ass..

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Well, so did the DAL pilot that got arrested for assault and rape.

He was a fighter pilot. They are held to different standards.

 

[Jar Jar]

PFT is like paying a prostitute for your first piece of ass..

yea but look at the ass Spitzer was getting.. totally worth it if you have the $$ imo.

 

[filejw]

Looks like they won......

http://billingsgazette.com/news/sta...cle_efa04e43-db88-5f50-8806-7d3468395901.html

 

[CA1900]

... slamming GIA and PFT at every opportunity.

I slam Gulfstream because its business model puts inexperienced people in the cockpits of airliners who have no earthly business being there.

Are there exceptions? Of course; I'm sure you know one of them very well. We have a few working here.

But after being paired with a couple dozen "graduates" of their program in my previous life, the overwhelming majority simply lacked the genuine experience that an airline pilot should have. That's not a slam on those pilots, but of the business that makes its money by accepting $32K in lieu of the experience that other similar operators require as prerequisite.

Being fined for falsifying records and putting car parts on the airplanes just reinforces what a crappy operator they are. Defend them if you like, but you'll never catch me in the back of one of their planes.

 

[jppt2000]

Being fined for falsifying records and putting car parts on the airplanes just reinforces what a crappy operator they are. Defend them if you like, but you'll never catch me in the back of one of their planes.

Forget about the other airlines doing some of the same things that folks might consider dangerous i.e. 300 hour new hire pilots and disregarding AD's.
Arguments about the GIA business model, IMO are both arbitrary and convenient.
Many folks that I've seen with such a strong disregard for GIA are either angry about the slow or plateaued progress of their own career, (blaming their career decisions on other folks) or envious of the career progression of the folks that finished GIA's program.
Some of the posts in this thread are simply a rehash from a union message board thread.
Amazing, another candidate for a board member-business model analyst of the committee of the righteous.

 

[CA1900]

:laugh: Not angry or envious. I quite enjoy what I'm doing and where I'm living. Wouldn't change a thing.

Many folks that I've seen with such a strong disregard for GIA are either angry about the slow or plateaued progress of their own career, (blaming their career decisions on other folks) or envious of the career progression of the folks that finished GIA's program.

Most folks that I've seen defend Gulfstream with such vigor are trying to rationalize paying $30K for a job they could have gotten paid to do elsewhere with just a few hundred hours more time.

Don't think we'll ever see eye-to-eye on this one, but I've enjoyed the spar.

 

[jppt2000]

:laugh: Not angry or envious. I quite enjoy what I'm doing and where I'm living. Wouldn't change a thing.




Most folks that I've seen defend Gulfstream with such vigor are trying to rationalize paying $30K for a job they could have gotten paid to do elsewhere with just a few hundred hours more time.

Don't think we'll ever see eye-to-eye on this one, but I've enjoyed the spar.

Yup, we won't see eye to eye, but I believe there were much bigger airlines fined last year for doing much the same thing, but I understand it would weaken your argument(s) if you included their cases.
It seems over the past few years, folks on message-boards have adopted the tactic of throwing as much mud as possible at topics-people they disagree with, in the hope as much as possible will stick.
Also, many of those people who paid $30K, have earned that back many times over.
PS, many didn't pay $30K, but it adds to the weight of your mud.

 

[CA1900]

Hope we'll get to discuss it (or something more entertaining) in person one of these days. :beer: