Hawker Collides With Glider at 16,000 over Reno

[Crimson03]

The jet crew need their tickets pulled and shredded for flying directly into another legally operating aircraft.

 

[Swass]

The jet crew need their tickets pulled and shredded for flying directly into another legally operating aircraft.

Ha!!!
You sir, are a ******************************bag. :laugh:

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

The jet crew need their tickets pulled and shredded for flying directly into another legally operating aircraft.

Interesting point. If they were VFR then they are screwed, the glider has the right of way. But since they were at 16000 and decending...as the article suggests then they were probably still IFR in which case they are probably OK since ATC would have to absorb some of the blame also. Would depend on many factors, type of airspace, airways they were on etc etc. The article stated they were at 300 kts, not too hard to miss a glider at that speed, especially with no TCAS to alert them. Interested to see the NTSB report on this one and find out the details and ATC control status prior to the collision.

 

[Swass]

Sources close to the story say they were IFR.

 

[400A]

The jet crew need their tickets pulled and shredded for flying directly into another legally operating aircraft.

Just curious how much time you have at 300KTS. I have had A TCAS Target, a vector from the controller and still not been able to see an aircraft that I knew was there. You just must be that much better than the jet crew.

I think the crew did an awesone job.

Also, I heard the glider was doing acro, which would explain the parachute. There is no telling where that thing came from.

But I am sure you would have seen it no matter what.uke:

 

[olypilot]

Sources close to the story say they were IFR.

Do you know much about gliders?

 

[400A]

The jet crew need their tickets pulled and shredded for flying directly into another legally operating aircraft.

If that is true, the glider pilot will also need his ticket pulled. It is the responsability of ALL pilots to see and avoid. Being that he was at 16,000 ft, he had plenty of ability to manuver as well. Why did he not see the Hawker?

A hot air ballon might be a differnt story. Your right of way argument does not apply here in my opinion.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

If that is true, the glider pilot will also need his ticket pulled. It is the responsability of ALL pilots to see and avoid. Being that he was at 16,000 ft, he had plenty of ability to manuver as well. Why did he not see the Hawker?

A hot air ballon might be a differnt story. Your right of way argument does not apply here in my opinion.

For the sake of argument, since the article does not lend enough facts to make any real judgements:

Your first paragraph does not hold up well. The glider goes what? 60kts 70? The jet was running 300 kts. For all we know the jet ran up the gliders tail at a 230 kt closure rate.

The second paragraph does not hold up well considering the FAR's clearly state that an unpowered aircraft always has right of way over a powered aircraft.