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givpicachanc

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Hi guys,

I am managing a Hawker 800A (strictly part 91)out of houston. I am the only pilot on salary I always get contract SIC. I manage the airplane and am responsible for Mantainene and all up keep of the avaition Department.My total time is about 4900 hrs of which 1000 is in Hawkers (abt 800 PIC) i have about 1200 hours in Beech jets. My question is, How much should a person in my capacity get paid to manage this airplane? Am i entitled to Benefits,401K etc. Last but not the least The owner flys about 250-300 hrs a year. Thanks in advance
 

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I would say yes to bennies and 401k. I would not do it for less than 125k/year. That is if you are doing everything. I do not have any kind of salary survey that I am getting that from. I just know it is not cheap to live in the Houston area. Essentially you are the CP and manager of the flight department. Also why not a full-time co-pilot?
 

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He doesnt have to pay for there taxes or benefits or training for the second pilot, thats why we dont have SIC.I would much rather have another pilot on salary coz its so difficult sometimes to get pilots.Am making only $62500 and they offerd to bump my salary to $ 75000. plus I have to take my own taxes out am not on payroll(paid on a 1099).
 

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Way too low pay wise. A HS125-800 CA alone should be paid on the average of $100K according to NBAA & Stanton surveys (national Average).

If you haveto pay your own taxes, makes me wonder about wheather you are actually an employee of the company or not, sounds as if they are trying to skirt the IRS laws on contract wages / employee - employer relationship.

Being responsible for management, mx etc would cause me to think of drafting a Aircraft Management contract and charging accordingly by the month. $10K a month comes to mind on a 800 (look at what the facs are charging for monthly management fees).

I would call around and see what other Management companes are charging and charge accordingly.

Sounds like they are trying to cheap their way into / stay in aviation.

BTW I'd brush up my resume just in case...

PS: Why no ATP?
 

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You are just a contract pilot too then. You having to pay your own taxes and others does not make you an employee at all. This guy is taking advantage of you in a big way. I would say more closer to 130 to 135k if you have to buy insurance and pay taxes. Not to mention that if you ever want to collect any social security you are going to have to pay that also.

I would be charging him a monthly managment fee plus a salary for your self.

That 75k is an insult for what you are expected to do. This guy is operating a multi-million dollar jet not a 172, he needs to be paying you for that.
 

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sorry, forgot to update I do have ATP . Guys please keep the replies coming up am gonna show this thread to my boss coz no matter how much i tell him he thinks am over paid.I manage all aspects of that airplane I had the interior done ,paint job,Mx,RVSM,hotels,rental cars pretty much am the flight department
 

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Not to beat a dead horse here but just for perspective. There a company in the midwest that starts their FO's at 65k on 800A's plus all the bennies and 401k.

Hope this helps and you can improve your situation. Like someone else said dust off that resume.

One question. Does your boss pay for your training?
 

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yes he does. Its a big deal though, they think they are doing a favor. I had remind him its like fuel for your airplane. you have to buy it o run the airplane. A training is required by the FAA and insuarance companys
 

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Please talk to a tax specialist. If you set up a corp. you will pay much less in taxes each year. Don't forget to put money away for the taxes as they can be very painfull if you are not prepared.
 

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He doesnt have to pay for there taxes or benefits or training for the second pilot, thats why we dont have SIC.I would much rather have another pilot on salary coz its so difficult sometimes to get pilots.Am making only $62500 and they offerd to bump my salary to $ 75000. plus I have to take my own taxes out am not on payroll(paid on a 1099).

Sounds like a prince ....

In the meantime you are getting good expirence, go out find a job with a real flight department as soon as you can. (I am sure, however, that you doing this anyhow)

At some point the IRS is going to nails this prince's balls to wall because you are IN FACT an employee and what he is doing is illegal. There has been a great deal of info published on this subject on the NBAA web page. (lemme guess, no access because he is too cheap!)
 
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80K in TX for managing a hawker does not seem to me like a bad gig especially for 300 hrs a year
why do you want more money
You are the only pilot on a salary and I apologize, but I don't see the problem
if you move your cost of living Will scream thru the roof
and you could delegate your aircraft responsibilities
 

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80K in TX for managing a hawker does not seem to me like a bad gig especially for 300 hrs a year
why do you want more money
You are the only pilot on a salary and I apologize, but I don't see the problem
if you move your cost of living Will scream thru the roof
and you could delegate your aircraft responsibilities


If you read his post he has to pay taxes and everything else out of that so-called salary. READ no bennies or anything. 80K is crap anywhere when you get no bennies or nothing. He is no more than a contract pilot.

People like you are the reason that these people will pay like this because you would jump all over a situation like this.

80K might just be good enough if you have bennies, a 401k and do not have to pay your taxes out of that.
 

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Wow-I have a friend in FL that is making what you make flying a C206T. He is an employee with all the bennies and he has the boss's credit card to make life on the road easier for all.
Cancel a few flights because the contract guys are unavailable-then see what he does.
At least you have some great experience from this. I doubt he will ever pay up. If he does you can bet that he was forced into it and he will be looking for your replacement soon. There is always some guy out there willing to do your job at half the price hoping to get his foot in the door.
I am so sick of hearing about these cheap azz aircraft owners.
 

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CANUCIT.............
Why do i want more money?
Delegate my aircraft responsibility?(will cost him extra)
80K is enough?
Wow give me your resume You can have my job.
I refused the raise, am gonna stand up for this Sh*t
 

givpicachanc

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an its 75K not 80K there is a diffrence
 

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I personally do not make 75k a year and I am very happy flying the hawker....
But I do have the bennies and jeesh dont get so bent
 

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well why do you work for 75 or less flying a Hawker.

Does your boss get the cheapest doctor?
does he get the cheapest lawyer?
When my boss upgraded to the bigger A/C he paid more for Fuel,Mechanics, Hanger,Landing fees But he wanted the cheapest pilot The one guy who will ultimately save his life or kill him....Why I guess we all know why coz there is this one guy who will wh*re himself out for less.I am bent outta shape coz if he could spend 50K on a craps table he sure could pay 15K extra spread out in 12 calender months. But I am done peace out
 
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