Hawaiian to exit BK on June 1st

[Heavy Set]

Would the 757-300 be a good substitute? I know ATA has used them to/from Hawaii but I am not sure how many are flying. I read that Condor of Germany was looking to dump its 757-300 fleet at some point...

 

[Jim]

Would the 757-300 be a good substitute? I know ATA has used them to/from Hawaii but I am not sure how many are flying. I read that Condor of Germany was looking to dump its 757-300 fleet at some point...

The problem is that we would need a minimum fleet size of between 8 and 12 (different numbers from different managers) to make it work. This is mostly because of parts. Very little in common with the 767 according to HAL maintenance mangers.

 

[HAL]

The airplanes were almost there... within our grasp...

Then Adams & co. decided to send back the last two 767's on order. What happened to them?

Here is what would have been N594HA, now flying to that wonderful tropical paradise of Uzbekistan:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/808934/L/

The other one has been turned into a private jet. It would have been N595HA:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/866803/L/

Sad. Now HA management is scrounging around to find even the worst beat-up piece of junk just to try and expand - competing with dozens of other airlines looking to expand on-the-cheap. Hey guys, how about this: Order some new ones! Boeing is desperate to keep the 767 line open until the 787 starts production. You'll get a great deal on the lease rates, I'm sure! The new 767's have worked great for you so far, and if you want 'new technology' planes you'll have to stand in line until at least 2010. Order the 767 and you could have brand new aluminum on your ramp in less than a year.

HAL

 

[Hansoma]

There you go thinking again. There's no place for logic when buying an airplane!

 

[Erndogg]

Sad. Now HA management is scrounging around to find even the worst beat-up piece of junk just to try and expand - competing with dozens of other airlines looking to expand on-the-cheap. Hey guys, how about this: Order some new ones! Boeing is desperate to keep the 767 line open until the 787 starts production. You'll get a great deal on the lease rates, I'm sure! The new 767's have worked great for you so far, and if you want 'new technology' planes you'll have to stand in line until at least 2010. Order the 767 and you could have brand new aluminum on your ramp in less than a year.

HAL
Hal,
The prices Boeing wants for new 767's are high-I dont know the number but they are driven by the demand that still exsists for these type of A/C.

I'm not trying to beat the drum for mgmt.- But when you got Aloha charging $99 from the west coast to Hawaii and ATA doing the same- You have to watch your step!!!

As much as our mgmt has SCREWED UP in the past-I am willing to give Dunkerley the benefit of doubt this time- Combined with Carty's airline savvy and retired admiral Fargo will make a pretty impressive board.

Fargo just got back from a trip to Asia with the Gov. looking at possible routes that could be added in the future. They visited Shanghi and Bejing (excuse the spelling). But doing business in China can be very slow and tidious besides getting the landing rights.

I was hoping we could bring you guys back quick-but I understand what Dunk is trying to do-now that he has GUTTBOMB out of the way.

 

[HA pilot]

HAL,

You are way outside of the loop and really don't know what your talking about. Your negative babble has grown old. It's unfortunate you have the HA logo on your posts, someone could take you seriously. When recall is offered to you, please, consider turning it down. You will never be happy at Hawaiian Airlines, or quite possibly anywhere else. Aloha

 

[Dan Roman]

I'll give HAL the benefit of the doubt and say he probably isn't as negative as he sounds, just frustrated at being on furlough. But your right, the management presently at Hawaiian appears full of potential. Dunkerly is good and I happen to be in the majority camp that thinks he'll be very good for Hawaiian. His track record under extremely difficult circumstances has been pretty amazing.

I understand that the 3 767's we lost by not coming out of BK April 1st were purchased by a leasing company and we may still be getting them from the leasing company. Also I heard Dunkerly was in Paris talking to people about leasing some of the 8-9 UAL 767's that just came up. So there is hope. These guys are sharp, they are not going to get aircraft just for the sake of getting aircraft. Whatever they get will make good business sense. I too thought they would be able to move quicker coming out of BK, but the delay slowed things down. A LOT is going on behind the scenes, we'll know it when it happens, till then, hang in there if your furloughed. They will get the right aircraft as quickly as they can, and they will be expanding, just not haphazardly or with any aircraft at any price just for the sake of expanding, that's a sure way to kill an airline.

 

[mdanno808]

I trully hope that you are right about Dunkerley. He does seem sharp, the only problem is that he doesn't have much of a track record. This is the first time in his history at Hawaiian that he has the authority to make the big decisions. First, he was under Adams, then under Gottbaum on the chain of command. We truly ought to see what kind of a CEO he is over the next few years.

BTW, are they really going to cancel the LA flight in order to start the new San Jose service? I have to commute to work, and everytime I attempted to get on that afternoon LA, it was jam packed.

I also have to stick up for HAL. This has been an extremely frustrating few years. We watched our company make money for two years straight, while Gottbaum continued to line his, and his team of lawyers pockets. Unless you have been on a fairly long furlough, you have no way of knowing what it is like. I have remained pessimistic during the entire furlough because of some advice my father gave me. If you get your hopes up, and let yourself become convinced you will be recalled soon, you are setting yourself up for extreme dissapointment. I, and everyone else I know who has worked at Hawaiian, would not trade their job there for any other job in the world. What has become extremely difficult recently is that everyone seems to have given up hope on the recalls starting in the near future. In any event, I hope to see you guys on the line some day (hopefully sooner, rather than later)

 

[Green Banana]

{{{Japan Airlines orders 6 more Boeing 767-300 ER planes.}}}

Well the AC are comming down the line. HAL should just bite the bullet and buy some new ones. I'm sure Boeing would be more than happy to stick a few more Airframes in Everett.

http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh55727_2005-06-30_09-53-42_l3074326_newsml

 

[Dan Roman]

dan808
I believe the last lax flight will be reduced 3 or 4 times a week and the second SEA flight will be reduced. Then reinstated once more AC are on the line. Sorry, it won't help your commute at all.

 

[Whale Rider]

Puget Sound Business Journal (Seattle) - 10:52 AM PDT Thursday

Boeing gets rare 767 order

Boeing Commercial Airplanes Group of Renton said Japan Airlines has ordered six new 767-300 extended-range airplanes worth about $800 million at list prices.


It's a rare bit of good news for the 767, which so far this year has seen only four orders, according to The Boeing Co.'s (NYSE: BA) Web site. The customer of those planes has not been announced, and the new order -- "confirmed" on Thursday -- could include some or all of the four already listed.

Analysts have speculated widely that the commercial version of the 767 will be discontinued, as most of its utility is duplicated or improved upon by the 787 Dreamliner. The Everett assembly line's salvation could come from a military version of the plane, depending on whether Congress and the U.S. Air Force eventually buy in-flight refueling tankers that are based on the 767 airframe.

The Japan Airlines order is for three passenger versions and three cargo versions, the first cargo-carrying 767s the airline has ordered. The planes are scheduled for delivery in 2007 and 2008, according to the announcement.

 

[Erndogg]

Hay Whale Rider,

WAAAAASSSSSUPPPPPPP!!!

Got to go fly-be back in a couple of days.

 

[Whale Rider]

Hey Erndogg!


WHAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSUUUUUUUPPPPPPPPPPPPP!

 

[HAL]

HAL,

You are way outside of the loop and really don't know what your talking about. Your negative babble has grown old. It's unfortunate you have the HA logo on your posts, someone could take you seriously. When recall is offered to you, please, consider turning it down. You will never be happy at Hawaiian Airlines, or quite possibly anywhere else. Aloha

I thought about this a while, and although at first I wanted to answer back with a real zinger, I realized this was just what HA pilot wanted. Anyone who knows me knows that I am about as far from a negative person as you can get. I was very happy at Hawaiian, as well as at my current job. If HA pilot feels I have been untrue or simply wrong about something in one of my posts, then please let me know - we can discuss it and if I was wrong I'd be happy to admit it. As far as I know everything I have posted is completely factual. Yes, being furloughed has been difficult and probably added a little edge to what I have been posting. But this is a forum for free speech and discussion; personal attacks (even subtle ones) do nothing but stir the pot, and in the end you still have the same soup. Facts, ideas & discussion will help much more than attacks.

Enjoy the day.

HAL

 

[Hansoma]

Well Said! Extra points for taking the high road!

 

[Erndogg]

California markets will be key to Hawaiian Airlines' growth plans

Prabha Natarajan

Pacific Business News
[font=Times New Roman,Times,Serif]Hawaiian Airlines is banking on customer service and information technology to win back its market share, especially in California.
The airline, which emerged from bankruptcy in June, is on the lookout for new routes and aircraft to expand its fleet.

But the first order of business, said President and CEO Mark Dunkerley, is to "grow a little in California."

Compared to its competitors, the number of seats Hawaiian Airlines flies between the West Coast and Hawaii is growing at a lower percentage rate. For instance, ATA announced this week that it is connecting more Southwest Airlines routes to its Hawaii flights as part of a code-share expansion.

"Our competitors have been able to enter into some markets that we've been dominant in during our years in bankruptcy," Dunkerley said. "We've seen an increase in the competition on the West Coast."

The strategy to retain and even increase Hawaiian's market share involves customer service and passenger comfort.

"Growth is all about being able to provide product in the marketplace that the customer demands," Dunkerley said. "For us that means sticking closely and clearly to the market that works, and providing products and services that will make customers prefer us to competitors."

Conveniences enabled by technology, such as Web check-ins and online reservations, are tools the airline adopted over the past year. Hawaiian spends about $10 million on information technology annually.

"The challenge is going to be staying ahead of the competition," Dunkerley said.

Toward that end, the airline hired its first-ever chief information officer, David Osborne, a few weeks ago.

"People catch up quickly with technology," Osborne said. "We have to leverage technology to improve the customer experience and manage the operational part of the business."

Osborne said he's working on project ideas but can't talk about them yet.


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[mdanno808]

Posted on: Friday, July 8, 2005 Printable version E-mail this story



Hawaiian faces more competition

By Rick Daysog
Advertiser Staff Writer


Hawaiian Airlines fears that Mainland-based carriers' plans to increase passenger seat capacity on flights to the Islands could dim growth prospects for Hawaiian, which just emerged from bankruptcy protection.


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HAWAIIAN AIR SHAREHOLDERS APPROVE SEVEN NEW DIRECTORS

Hawaiian Airlines shareholders voted to approved the nomination of seven new directors at the company’s annual meeting yesterday. The new directors will serve one-year terms, which expire at the company’s 2006 annual meeting. The board members, who attended yesterday’s meeting, include:
• Hawaiian Airlines chairman Lawrence Hershfield, 48, who is founder and chief executive of Hawaiian Airlines’ largest shareholder, Ranch Capital LLC, a San Diego investment company that specializes in distressed companies.
• Hawaiian Airlines chief executive Mark Dunkerley. Dunkerley, 41, previously served as the company’s president and chief operating officer.
• Donald Carty, 57, who served as chairman and chief executive of AMR Corp., American Airlines’ parent.
• Adm. Thomas Fargo, 57, who recently retired as commander of the U.S. Pacific Command at Camp Smith.
• Bert T. Kobayashi, 64, who is senior partner in the local law firm of Kobayashi, Sugita & Goda.
• Hawaiian Airlines chief financial officer Randall Jenson, 37, who co-founded Ranch Capital.
• Gregory Anderson, 48, chairman and chief executive of Phoenix-based Valley Commerce Bank Corp.




Mainland airlines plan to increase the passenger seat capacity on their Honolulu flights by 17 percent this summer as they rediscover the profitability of the Hawai'i market.

But the head of Hawaiian Airlines said the increased capacity could dim growth prospects for the state's largest airline, which emerged from bankruptcy protection last month.

Speaking at Hawaiian Airlines' annual shareholders meeting yesterday, Chief Executive Officer Mark Dunkerley said that an "explosion" in number of passenger seats on West Coast flights will keep fares low and make it difficult to pass on soaring fuel costs.

"It seems that our competitors, having missed the opportunity over the strong demand for Hawai'i vacations for the past couple of years, are bound and determined to make up for this twice over," Dunkerley said.

Dunkerley cited figures compiled in May by the state Department of Business, Economic Development and Tourism showing that for the three months ending Aug. 30, 2005, the number of passenger seats on flights from the West Coast to Honolulu will increase by 17 percent to 939,845 from the year-earlier period. DBEDT figures released yesterday show that the overall passenger seat capacity for the July-to-September period is expected to be up 13.1 percent.

"That's more growth than we would expect to see in our business over several years," said Dunkerley.

The increased capacity comes after Hawaiian Airlines — which filed for bankruptcy reorganization in 2003 — reported steady operating income growth in each of the past two years.

It also comes after many of the nation's largest airlines have restored their service to Hawai'i to pre-Sept. 11 levels.

Marsha Wienert, state tourism liaison, said that the state will need the additional seats with the arrival of the Pride of America cruise ship later this month.

She noted that the new ship will add the equivalent of 2,000 new hotel rooms to the local visitor accommodation inventory.

Frank Haas, vice president of tourism marketing for the Hawai'i Tourism Authority, said that many of Hawai'i's hotels are nearly filled this summer, so the airlines could face the prospect of empty seats on their flights.

Haas said tourism industry officials don't want to see a repeat of the mid-1990s, when the big carriers increased their capacity, were left with too many empty seats and had to cut prices.

"We're certainly happy that the airlines would want to fly here but we want them to fly here and make money," Haas said.

Looks like everyone will be increasing flights but Hawaiian. Guess there isn't a need for new airplanes after all.

 

[islandhopper]

Its all about me!

 

[mdanno808]

2 articles printed within 3 days of each other, with two entirely different messages. One says we plan on expanding to the west coast to rival the increasing competition, and the other says all of the competition may hamper those very plans to expand. This guy's a riddle wrapped in an enigma.

On an entirely different note, how was the meeting with the new owner?