Has Dayjet begun revenue flights? What's the status?

[On Your Six]

I heard a rumor that Dayjet has already started up revenue flights? Is that true? I read that there seems to be a lot of activity between Boca Raton and Gainsville.

What's the update on hiring and number of aircraft expected before the end of the year?

 

[Seadogrun]

I heard one on center or app. freq. the other day. Can't say if it was revenue or not. They were going into Sarasota or somewhere on the west coast of FL.

 

[johnsonrod]

How many current pilots at Dayjet and how many expected to be hired through the end of 07?

I've heard the 50K figure thrown around for captain pay on the Eclipse, what would be the FO pay?

 

[DAS at 10/250]

I've heard the 50K figure thrown around for captain pay on the Eclipse, what would be the FO pay?

Ouch!!

 

[Flywrite]

Ouch!!

Accuse me of 'lowering the bar' if you like, but for a 9hr/day home-every-night fixed schedule at a startup $50k + bennies doesnt sound too bad for VLJ pay.

If FO pay is in the $30k region it will beat the regionals with a QOL that won't even compare.

 

[On Your Six]

Accuse me of 'lowering the bar' if you like, but for a 9hr/day home-every-night fixed schedule at a startup $50k + bennies doesnt sound too bad for VLJ pay.

If FO pay is in the $30k region it will beat the regionals with a QOL that won't even compare.

Try to live near Boca Raton on that salary. You better hope your spouse makes money too if you are married with kids.

It would not surprise me if a bunch of early-retirement Delta pilots who cashed out applied for these positions.

 

[DAS at 10/250]

You can't live in Ft. Worth for that kind of money.

Although it wouldn't be too bad if they started paying you both the captain and FO salary when they go single pilot. $80K would be doable.

 

[spriteman707]

Accuse me of 'lowering the bar' if you like, but for a 9hr/day home-every-night fixed schedule at a startup $50k + bennies doesnt sound too bad for VLJ pay.

don't forget about stock options, as well ......

Try to live near Boca Raton on that salary. You better hope your spouse makes money too if you are married with kids.

you're right about that, but $50K in Lakeland or Gainsville isn't too bad .....

Apparently you need 3000 hrs minimum and one of the flight standards managers was quoted in an article saying --"Both pilots help passengers on board and explain safety procedures, but in the air everything is handled by only one. "The pilot pulls the gear up, moves the flaps. The non-flying pilot monitors all these things and will be checked with a high degree of discipline."

What's that all about? And where are their pilots coming from? Are pilots with 3000+ hours going to leave a regional or fractional job to take a position with an unproven air carrier, on an unproven aircraft/powerplant, using an unproven business model?

 

[DAS at 10/250]

Well, seeing as how a job at Home Depot would be a step up from a regional I don't see how going to Dayjets would be a demotion.

Of all my buddies that went to the regionals only one still remains. The rest aren't even flying anymore and the one left would gladly eat a bullet if he could afford one.

The pay at Dayjets sucks. But if the schedule holds together that would be one hell of a QOL. And something a lot of people might look into.

 

[JimNtexas]

Dayjet requires it's pilot to perform non-flying duties when not in the cockpit.

 

[DAS at 10/250]

Most jobs do. Flying is the least of what I'm paid for. How much is required would be of interest.

Cleaning and restocking the cabin, updating charts, filing flight plans, arranging transportation, etc would be considered normal flight ops.

Washing the owners car, walking the dog, or cold call sales would not be the norm.

 

[puddlejumper]

Their DJS callsign can be tracked on FlightAware. 109, 110, 115, 116, 126 and 130DJ all seem to be active. 131, 132, 134, 135, 136, 139, 141 and 142DJ are still registered to Eclipse. Looks like they have a few RVSM. Appears a couple are in DC, probably for investors to look at.

PJ

 

[skiandsurf]

I was in ABQ the other day and there were probably 8-10 Eclipse jets on the ramp (they're made here in ABQ). I took a close look at the plane and talked to a couple of Eclipse instructors.

First impression, its a "cute, little airplane". This thing is SMALL. The one I looked at had 5 seats. To watch the pilots get out, was painful. I cant imagine more than 2 adults in the back seats, and that will be very tight. No baggage space. Garment bags? no way.

.64 mach @ 41,000.
1500 pounds of fuel.
Max weight of <6000.

The guys that I talked to, said that they are selling lots of these things. About a 2 year backlog for delivery.

They are having training issues. Training is taking longer than alotted.

A couple problems are...
1) no flight director.
2) No GPS. It has all the neat looking EFIS, but its navigated like the C152 I learned in...VORs and radials. Guys are having a problem going back to this "old school flying".

 

[svcta]

To answer the original question:

I saw a Dayjet Eclipse in PNS 2 days ago take on a passenger and depart.

IN other news, that thing is TINY, and it looked as if they were having trouble fitting the lady's roller bag in the thing. And if me and the rest of us who fly real jets begin taking vectors, climbs, or descents because these modern-day speed bumps are up at 410 with us we should lobby for a rule regarding capability at altitude. Example: If you can't do .70 or better, stay below FL350.

Who's with me?

 

[TigerDriver]

Who's with me?

exactly, I'm just waiting for one of these next generation weekend warriors to try to come out of ASE or EGE and try to make it to somewhere on the east coast "because the sales guys said it had the range" and they end up a black smoking hole somewhere because they don't know the first thing about high altitude aerodynamics.

 

[dime line]

Who's with me?

exactly, I'm just waiting for one of these next generation weekend warriors to try to come out of ASE or EGE and try to make it to somewhere on the east coast "because the sales guys said it had the range" and they end up a black smoking hole somewhere because they don't know the first thing about high altitude aerodynamics.

I wasnt offered a "High altitude Aerodynamics" switch on my plane.......damm sales guy

 

[TigerDriver]

wasnt offered a "High altitude Aerodynamics" switch on my plane

???? I didn't say anything about a switch or anything like that. I was referring to the mentality of these pilots who think flying these small jets will be a small step up from a bonanza or cirrus and do not study up on the book work (i.e. high performance aerdynamics, high altitude considerations, etc.)ahead of time.

 

[dime line]

dude i was making a joke.

 

[IFollowRoads]

When I hit 3000tt I sure as hell wont be looking for a job flying a toy.

 

[jonjuan]

When I hit 3000tt I sure as hell wont be looking for a job flying a toy.

How ironic as retiring airline pilots with 10x that number will be looking for a job flying a toy.

 

[cruxx@9]

So is it a time builder? I can see the interviewer at an airline...
"So let me get this straight, as the 'FO' you watched the PF manipulate all controls and levers and you did what exactly...talk on the radio and fetch Cokes? You are flying an airplane with what a 5,000lb GTOW?"

It sounds like a great retirement job or furlough job. I could be wrong though and it will create more aviation jobs.

I'm with the guy that said get 'em out of the "jet" airspace. The other day I was held at FL290 for traffic. It seemed forever later we passed...or blew by a turbo prop towing banners at FL310. We flew directly under it as it was on the airway. I asked the controller what that thing was that we smoked by, he was doing like .52 or something. He said it was a Piaggo (sp? can't even pronounce it). There should be some capability requirement for busy airspace, IMHO.

Not being a hater here, just having some fun. Good luck to all that fly it.

 

[Limeyflyer]

I read that there seems to be a lot of activity between Boca Raton and Gainsville.

Gainesville is the other Eclipse Maintainence Facility aside from ABQ. My buddy took their Eclipse down there the other day, because aparantly at every 100 hrs the front windows have to be replaceddue to chance of them "popping out"!! nice huh. He said that the Dayjet planes there all had around 900 hrs on or so, but he believed that they had not been doing any rev flights yet. Must be training and promoting like crazy.

 

[The_Russian]

Gainesville is the other Eclipse Maintainence Facility aside from ABQ. My buddy took their Eclipse down there the other day, because aparantly at every 100 hrs the front windows have to be replaceddue to chance of them "popping out"!! nice huh. He said that the Dayjet planes there all had around 900 hrs on or so, but he believed that they had not been doing any rev flights yet. Must be training and promoting like crazy.

Dayjet should go with another airplane while they still have the chance.

 

[On Your Six]

Dayjet should go with another airplane while they still have the chance.

I still think the Adams 700 jet looks cooler (nice ramp presence - it doesn't scare you like the puny Eclipse can) and it offers more room for not much more money. I think a couple of air-taxi operators already have big orders for the 700. No way Dayjet could get a Cessna Mustang for at least a few years...

Too bad Adams has been so late in developing the 700 - that could have been the better choice.

 

[mainiac]

So is it a time builder? I can see the interviewer at an airline...
"So let me get this straight, as the 'FO' you watched the PF manipulate all controls and levers and you did what exactly...talk on the radio and fetch Cokes? You are flying an airplane with what a 5,000lb GTOW?"

It sounds like a great retirement job or furlough job. I could be wrong though and it will create more aviation jobs.

I'm with the guy that said get 'em out of the "jet" airspace. The other day I was held at FL290 for traffic. It seemed forever later we passed...or blew by a turbo prop towing banners at FL310. We flew directly under it as it was on the airway. I asked the controller what that thing was that we smoked by, he was doing like .52 or something. He said it was a Piaggo (sp? can't even pronounce it). There should be some capability requirement for busy airspace, IMHO.

Not being a hater here, just having some fun. Good luck to all that fly it.

It's all right, half the Ctr controllers can't pronounce it either, and, Sorry if our banners got in your way!
Hopefully it added to your monthly credit hrs, all us slowpokes will keep you from living on monthly guarantee!