Happy Flexcrews Sound Off

[604driver]

I've been reading all the negative posts about Flexjet. I would like to hear from all of you that like your jobs. We all took this job for a reason 11 years ago or less. I know that this was, and remains to be, the best job of my life. Do I have my problems here? Yes. There is no perfect situation. I would like to see many more gateways, no early morning first day callout and better health coverage. I know that PBS is for the company not the pilots. I know that many people were flat lied to about upgrades for years. (Not the fault of the company. It's more the fault of people in HR that couldn't predict the future growth of the company. I guess nobody predicted 9-11 or other economic downturns.) What we must remember is the company is growing, we have better products and the industry has noticed. I.e. The recent buyout talks with Penske.

What I ask is this, all the silent majority of please let your feels be know on this string. Let some of the people reading from the outside know that we have crews that are professional and respect the company and or owners. Please follow Mr Roger's prime directive, I you can't say anything nice....

 

[AeroBoy]

There are so many grammatical errors in the above post that I just HAD to run it through MS Word's grammar check. MS Word says it was written at the 5th-grade level--about what I'd expect given the message's content.

 

[japhy]

Best aviation job I've ever had! Is it perfect? No, but I've never had a perfect job. Does the company truely care about the employees? Yes! And that is rare and what I think sets it apart from other jobs I've had.

 

[japhy]

There are so many grammatical errors in the above post that I just HAD to run it through MS Word's grammar check. MS Word says it was written at the 5th-grade level--about what I'd expect given the message's content.

I just ran yours through MS Word and it gave a 9th grade level.

If you can't say anything nice....

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Best aviation job I've ever had! Is it perfect? No, but I've never had a perfect job. Does the company truely care about the employees? Yes! And that is rare and what I think sets it apart from other jobs I've had.

dont ever let yourself get stupid enough to think ANY company "cares" about you.

 

[hammer2]

There are so many grammatical errors in the above post that I just HAD to run it through MS Word's grammar check. MS Word says it was written at the 5th-grade level--about what I'd expect given the message's content.

4 that comment; EYE wuld like too see him rate your grammer while on approach into ASE in a 604.?!...

 

[GuyBehindTheGuy]

I agree! FlexJet is a great place to work and is the best flying job I've had. Just like 604 said, a few work rule changes and this place would really be fantastic! I believe that the Indy folks that are coming over will really like it here.

Sorry, G200, I respectfully say that you're wrong on this one - at least about FlexJet (probably about SWA, too). I've had a couple family emergencies in my run here at FlexJet and they've NEVER hesitated for a second to airline me home asap. I've personally experienced the fact that they DO care about us.

Thanks 604 for starting this thread!

 

[Necromonger]

Yes, 604 does need to find the spell check key. I’ll leave it at that.
Most of us here at Flex consider it to be the best job we’ve had. I enjoy the crews, equipment, the places we go, and the overall culture on the road. I think most of you pro-management types think we hate the company. Simply not true. Most of the company Haters have left or have been canned.
The rest of us you’re hearing from see the problems, as mentioned by 604, and we are being proactive in making this place BETTER. It will never be perfect for everyone here. That is just not a realistic goal.

I agree! FlexJet is a great place to work and is the best flying job I've had. Just like 604 said, a few work rule changes and this place would really be fantastic! I believe that the Indy folks that are coming over will really like it here.

Sorry, G200, I respectfully say that you're wrong on this one - at least about FlexJet (probably about SWA, too). I've had a couple family emergencies in my run here at FlexJet and they've NEVER hesitated for a second to airline me home asap. I've personally experienced the fact that they DO care about us.

Thanks 604 for starting this thread!

RH and the ACPs I believe DO care. And, do go out of their way to help out during family crisis. They are a group of great guys, but their hands are tied. The problem goes higher than their pay scale.

This medium of communication is only a small part of a LARGE movement going on now. Those of us involved love working here, and care enough to want to make it a better place.
If you want to know what the gripes and arguments are, you can read them on other threads here.

There are some of you out here saying that we are bashing to company. Read a little closer. It is not the company being bashing. I would have to call it more of an upper management “mind set” that we are bringing to light.

All we want is true answers to all concerns, brought up by the pilot group. (Not brush-offs, delays, and half truths.)

I’ll vote yes.
You vote no.
We’ll see where the majority is.

 

[FraxJockey]

Good people,good equipment, and good pay. Has a lot of potential (more so in recent times)

Most of us here at Flex consider it to be the best job we’ve had. I enjoy the crews, equipment, the places we go, and the overall culture on the road... RH and the ACPs I believe DO care. And, do go out of their way to help out during family crisis. They are a group of great guys, but their hands are tied. The problem goes higher than their pay scale.

Finally, something we can agree on.

Frax

 

[ILS2DH]

What kind of schedule do you fly at Flex?

 

[Mach92]

I've been reading all the negative posts about Flexjet. I would like to hear from all of you that like your jobs. We all took this job for a reason 11 years ago or less. I know that this was, and remains to be, the best job of my life. Do I have my problems here? Yes. There is no perfect situation. I would like to see many more gateways, no early morning first days callouts and better health coverage. I know that PBS is for the company not the pilots. I know that many people were flat lied to about upgrades for years. (Not the fault of the company. More the fault of people in HR that couldn't predict the future growth of the company. I guess nobody predicted 9-11 or other economic downturns.) What we must remember is the company is growing, we have better products and the industry has noticed. ie The resent buyout talks with Penske.

What I ask is this, all the silent majority of please let your feels be know on this string. Let some of the people reading from the outside know that we have crews that are professional and resect the company and or owners. Please follow Mr Rogers prime directive, I you can't say anything nice....

Ah yes remember all the CL-604 Captains flexjet let "go" after 9-11
I take it you were not one of them? So some of you may ask why did flexjet fire OUT of senority. They suppored a UNION go figure.

 

[AeroBoy]

I just ran yours through MS Word and it gave a 9th grade level.

Sure, I could have used bigger words, but I wanted to make sure you'd understand what I was saying. The bottom line is this: please review and read your post before actually posting it. Doing so will get your point across in an intelligent manner.


hammer2--just what are you trying to say?!?!

 

[2EASYPilot]

dont ever let yourself get stupid enough to think ANY company "cares" about you.

Wow...what a statement, maybe that's just the way it is in the fractional/ airline world. Sorry to let you down but I do work for a company that "cares" about us...maybe we are rare.

May you have better luck in your next job...cheers.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

dont ever let yourself get stupid enough to think ANY company "cares" about you.

Wow...what a statement, maybe that's just the way it is in the fractional/ airline world. Sorry to let you down but I do work for a company that "cares" about us...maybe we are rare.

May you have better luck in your next job...cheers.

a company lets you away for "family emergencies" etc...is "caring" about you???

sounds like common decency to me.

I have seen Flexjet payscales. If thats "care" I would hate to see what happens if they dont like you!!!!

want to care for me? ---- PAY ME. Then I can take CARE of myself and my own. Want me happy? give me a decent schedule and lots of vacation to enjoy my family. Then when Im at work, I will be happy to bust my butt for you.

The problem is you guys are so use to being so pathetically abused you think getting some time off for a family emergency is rare and special.

But hey, if you feel "cared" for - good for you.

Cheap, satisfied labor is an art.

 

[2EASYPilot]

a company lets you away for "family emergencies" etc...is "caring" about you???

sounds like common decency to me.

I have seen Flexjet payscales. If thats "care" I would hate to see what happens if they dont like you!!!!

want to care for me? ---- PAY ME. Then I can take CARE of myself and my own. Want me happy? give me a decent schedule and lots of vacation to enjoy my family. Then when Im at work, I will be happy to bust my butt for you.

The problem is you guys are so use to being so pathetically abused you think getting some time off for a family emergency is rare and special.

But hey, if you feel "cared" for - good for you.

Cheap, satisfied labor is an art.


Like I said must be the fractional world....we are corporate and yes we are satisfied but not cheap.....the best to you in the future.

 

[604driver]

Ah yes remember all the CL-604 Captains flexjet let "go" after 9-11
I take it you were not one of them? So some of you may ask why did flexjet fire OUT of senority. They suppored a UNION go figure.

Remind me but I can only think of one 604 guy getting canned after 9/11. I didn't like the way they went about it, but it needed to be done. JA is the one I was thinking of, who were the others?

 

[604driver]

There are so many grammatical errors in the above post that I just HAD to run it through MS Word's grammar check. MS Word says it was written at the 5th-grade level--about what I'd expect given the message's content.

Og fcuk Uroylfes

 

[netjetwife]

I've been reading all the negative posts about Flexjet. I would like to hear from all of you that like your jobs. We all took this job for a reason 11 years ago or less. I know that this was, and remains to be, the best job of my life. Do I have my problems here? Yes. There is no perfect situation. I would like to see many more gateways, no early morning first days callouts and better health coverage. I know that PBS is for the company not the pilots. I know that many people were flat lied to about upgrades for years. (Not the fault of the company. More the fault of people in HR that couldn't predict the future growth of the company. I guess nobody predicted 9-11 or other economic downturns.) What we must remember is the company is growing, we have better products and the industry has noticed. ie The resent buyout talks with Penske.

What I ask is this, all the silent majority of please let your feels be know on this string. Let some of the people reading from the outside know that we have crews that are professional and resect the company and or owners. Please follow Mr Rogers prime directive, I you can't say anything nice....

At the risk of being told to go back to the kitchen (I'm on my after clean-up break, Bogart--HA!) or being accused of not following the Rogers principal (personally, I think I do that more than most here) I wish to pose a question. Why are you implying (yes, the implication is there, even down to the trailed off sentence) that the pilots who choose to be proactive in solving the problems you mention are not professional, don't respect the company, and possibly the owners? What factual data do you have to base that accusation upon? I can't believe that other frac pilots are that different from NJ pilots. Not only are the two attitudes mutually exclusive --you can hold one without giving up the other--but the case can be made (based on experiences of NJ pilots) that union organizers bend over backwards to make sure they give the company no cause for complaint. "Hostages" can, and are, taken during negotiations and (presumably) organizing drives. NJW

PRO-UNION PILOTS ARE PRO-ACTIVELY AND PROFESSIONALLY PURSUING IMPROVEMENT

 

[Flyingdog1]

Ah yes remember all the CL-604 Captains flexjet let "go" after 9-11
I take it you were not one of them? So some of you may ask why did flexjet fire OUT of senority. They suppored a UNION go figure.

The only 604 guy fired after 9-11 was a A$$, he was on his way out anyway.
I like working here, if I didn't I'd leave. When I see room for improvement (which is often), I work on fixing it. It works a lot better than sitting around pissing and moaning.

 

[Flyingdog1]

At the risk of being told to go back to the kitchen (I'm on my after clean-up break, Bogart--HA!) or being accused of not following the Rogers principal (personally, I think I do that more than most here) I wish to pose a question. Why are you implying (yes, the implication is there, even down to the trailed off sentence) that the pilots who choose to be proactive in solving the problems you mention are not professional, don't respect the company, and possibly the owners? What factual data do you have to base that accusation upon? I can't believe that other frac pilots are that different from NJ pilots. Not only are the two attitudes mutually exclusive --you can hold one without giving up the other--but the case can be made (based on experiences of NJ pilots) that union organizers bend over backwards to make sure they give the company no cause for complaint. "Hostages" can, and are, taken during negotiations and (presumably) organizing drives.

PRO-UNION PILOTS ARE PRO-ACTIVELY AND PROFESSIONALLY PURSUING IMPROVEMENT

Get back to the kitchen, and when your done, why don't you hop on that brass dance pole!


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I'm going to let this reply remain as a good example of the slippery slope that is moderating a pilot forum. Many pilots don't suffer fools (in their opinion) gracefully. Flyingdog1 has taken his opportunity to simply insult another who has a different opinion than his. While this board would be pretty dull without opposing opinions, there needs to be some personal responsibility in order to have the ability to contribute to the dialog. Back to the original response-

Some people thought it funny, some people thought it offensive. I just thought it was sad. Flyingdog1, I'm sure that you had another username here before November of 2005. If you would care to actually opine with some substance rather than personal attacks, we'll welcome you to the discussion- otherwise, take your antics somewhere else.

Oh, and by the way, 3 days in the PB for the wise-crack.

UAL78
Moderator