Happy Flexcrews Sound Off

[604driver]

Ah yes remember all the CL-604 Captains flexjet let "go" after 9-11
I take it you were not one of them? So some of you may ask why did flexjet fire OUT of senority. They suppored a UNION go figure.

Remind me but I can only think of one 604 guy getting canned after 9/11. I didn't like the way they went about it, but it needed to be done. JA is the one I was thinking of, who were the others?

 

[604driver]

There are so many grammatical errors in the above post that I just HAD to run it through MS Word's grammar check. MS Word says it was written at the 5th-grade level--about what I'd expect given the message's content.

Og fcuk Uroylfes

 

[netjetwife]

I've been reading all the negative posts about Flexjet. I would like to hear from all of you that like your jobs. We all took this job for a reason 11 years ago or less. I know that this was, and remains to be, the best job of my life. Do I have my problems here? Yes. There is no perfect situation. I would like to see many more gateways, no early morning first days callouts and better health coverage. I know that PBS is for the company not the pilots. I know that many people were flat lied to about upgrades for years. (Not the fault of the company. More the fault of people in HR that couldn't predict the future growth of the company. I guess nobody predicted 9-11 or other economic downturns.) What we must remember is the company is growing, we have better products and the industry has noticed. ie The resent buyout talks with Penske.

What I ask is this, all the silent majority of please let your feels be know on this string. Let some of the people reading from the outside know that we have crews that are professional and resect the company and or owners. Please follow Mr Rogers prime directive, I you can't say anything nice....

At the risk of being told to go back to the kitchen (I'm on my after clean-up break, Bogart--HA!) or being accused of not following the Rogers principal (personally, I think I do that more than most here) I wish to pose a question. Why are you implying (yes, the implication is there, even down to the trailed off sentence) that the pilots who choose to be proactive in solving the problems you mention are not professional, don't respect the company, and possibly the owners? What factual data do you have to base that accusation upon? I can't believe that other frac pilots are that different from NJ pilots. Not only are the two attitudes mutually exclusive --you can hold one without giving up the other--but the case can be made (based on experiences of NJ pilots) that union organizers bend over backwards to make sure they give the company no cause for complaint. "Hostages" can, and are, taken during negotiations and (presumably) organizing drives. NJW

PRO-UNION PILOTS ARE PRO-ACTIVELY AND PROFESSIONALLY PURSUING IMPROVEMENT

 

[Flyingdog1]

Ah yes remember all the CL-604 Captains flexjet let "go" after 9-11
I take it you were not one of them? So some of you may ask why did flexjet fire OUT of senority. They suppored a UNION go figure.

The only 604 guy fired after 9-11 was a A$$, he was on his way out anyway.
I like working here, if I didn't I'd leave. When I see room for improvement (which is often), I work on fixing it. It works a lot better than sitting around pissing and moaning.

 

[Flyingdog1]

At the risk of being told to go back to the kitchen (I'm on my after clean-up break, Bogart--HA!) or being accused of not following the Rogers principal (personally, I think I do that more than most here) I wish to pose a question. Why are you implying (yes, the implication is there, even down to the trailed off sentence) that the pilots who choose to be proactive in solving the problems you mention are not professional, don't respect the company, and possibly the owners? What factual data do you have to base that accusation upon? I can't believe that other frac pilots are that different from NJ pilots. Not only are the two attitudes mutually exclusive --you can hold one without giving up the other--but the case can be made (based on experiences of NJ pilots) that union organizers bend over backwards to make sure they give the company no cause for complaint. "Hostages" can, and are, taken during negotiations and (presumably) organizing drives.

PRO-UNION PILOTS ARE PRO-ACTIVELY AND PROFESSIONALLY PURSUING IMPROVEMENT

Get back to the kitchen, and when your done, why don't you hop on that brass dance pole!


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I'm going to let this reply remain as a good example of the slippery slope that is moderating a pilot forum. Many pilots don't suffer fools (in their opinion) gracefully. Flyingdog1 has taken his opportunity to simply insult another who has a different opinion than his. While this board would be pretty dull without opposing opinions, there needs to be some personal responsibility in order to have the ability to contribute to the dialog. Back to the original response-

Some people thought it funny, some people thought it offensive. I just thought it was sad. Flyingdog1, I'm sure that you had another username here before November of 2005. If you would care to actually opine with some substance rather than personal attacks, we'll welcome you to the discussion- otherwise, take your antics somewhere else.

Oh, and by the way, 3 days in the PB for the wise-crack.

UAL78
Moderator

 

[jetwash]

a company lets you away for "family emergencies" etc...is "caring" about you???

sounds like common decency to me.

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Could you imagine what type of company would send a pilot to do a approach into Aspen knowing that he is thinking about a family emergency at home.

That pilot should not be flying and should be on his way home. Anything else is just an accident waiting to happen.

 

[ashaman]

Get back to the kitchen, and when your done, why don't you hop that dance pole!

Real classy. You sir, are a disgrace.

 

[netjetwife]

Jetwash, that's an excellent point! I'd also like to add that helping out the (relatively) few pilots who have an emergency, hardly strains the company budget. While it is the decent and smart thing to do, it can't take the place of treating all of the pilots right. There are many problems families face that don't come to the company's attention. Fair/good wages will allow all of the frac families to be financially prepared for emergencies.

IT'S TIME TO DO THE RIGHT THING BY ALL FRACTIONAL PILOTS

 

[Flyingdog1]

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[gunfyter]

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Dog,

Cat got your tongue?

 

[Flyingdog1]

Real classy. You sir, are a disgrace.

Don't see what's so disgraceful. Just putting my opion out there about a person who slings her own spun propaganda and doesn't even work in the industry. No apologies here.

 

[gunfyter]

Don't see what's so disgraceful... No apologies here.

I am not surprised....

 

[Flyingdog1]

Dog,

Cat got your tongue?

Nope, just waiting for the mud slinging to start.

cya, be back Sunday.

 

[XPGuy]

Og fcuk Uroylfes

Where's the moderators? There's got to be a line here, people.

 

[XPGuy]

Get back to the kitchen, and when your done, why don't you hop on that brass dance pole!

And another one. How do you become a moderator, anyway? This is ridiculous. These guys need to go to the elementary playground and talk about all the bad words and rude comments they heard about. We don't want that filth here.