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Anyone, anyone have any info on Haas Racing out of North Carolina?

Thanks

 

[justenjoyflyin]

they are looking for someone, post is on avianation.com,, thats all I know. I will be applying

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

Did they mention which A/C it was for???

I know what they have (and what they are getting!)
KBB

 

[LearAv8r]

gene haas has some legal issues coming up soon. last i heard he may be going to the big house for a little "vacation"

 

[Dr Pokenhiemer]

You have be careful what team you fly for. I used to think I wanted to fly fulltime for a NASCAR driver because I really love racing. Last year I got to fly the last 6 races for a driver who ran on a single car team. One of the sponsors was Super 8. Everytime we got to the hotel (Super 8), they only had one room for both pilots. We were able to get a second room at most places, but had to shack up together most of the time. Then didn't get paid until the middle of January after turning down additional trips because I don't work for free. I know another pilot who has a pretty sweet deal though. I also talked to Matt Kenseth the other day and he said he puts both his pilots in the same room too!!!!!!!! If one guy wants to stay up and watch tv and the other wants to go to bed early, one snors and keeps the other awake.......

 

[Dep676]

I just do not get it. I mean they are making millions a year and can not spring for two rooms. Have you ever seen the coaches they sleep in at the track? Most are nicer than my house.

 

[h25b]

I guess I'm passed the point of good taste, but I believe I would've asked Matt how he figures it's a good idea to have the two professionals flying his 4 million dollar airplane with his 20 million (or more) ass on board after an entire afternoon of smelling each other's farts while not properly rested.

The NASCAR aviation community has a pretty good reputation of turning some of its high profile individuals in to smoking holes for exactly this reason. The only difference lately is that they are moving in to the jet age where they can accomplish a slightly larger, deeper hole. Anyone who thinks I'm crazy need only look at the full (not just narrative) version of the Hendrick's Racing King Air 200 crash at Martinsville.

 

[CAVOK69]

The NASCAR aviation community has a pretty good reputation of turning some of its high profile individuals in to smoking holes for exactly this reason. The only difference lately is that they are moving in to the jet age where they can accomplish a slightly larger, deeper hole. Anyone who thinks I'm crazy need only look at the full (not just narrative) version of the Hendrick's Racing King Air 200 crash at Martinsville.

I'm going to disagree that we have a reputation for creating "smoking" holes. That was a terrible loss, however, we deal with a highly challenging flying environment, arriving at minimally equiped airports and departing these same airports with severe congestion. It isn't like some 135 (or even 121) company's accident record. But I will say I highly disagree with SOME team's policy of room sharing.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

we deal with a highly challenging flying environment, arriving at minimally equiped airports and departing these same airports with severe congestion.

Try departing a 9,000 MSL airport at night down in South America with no idea what the weather 20 miles from the airport is. We operate hundreds of aircraft all over the world in some of the most insane environments you can think of.

Our safety record speaks for itself. I flew for a NASCAR team, the CP pencil whipped his log book because and I quote, "I didnt want to wait another 4 years just to fly a KingAir".


Wolfpack Pilot
NetJets

 

[CAVOK69]

well im glad you have that experience. I too, flew international into southamerica and many other different countries at night with high field elevation before I came to racing. Doesnt mean we don't have some unique challenges as well. Just b/c you happen to see a CP pencil wip his logbook does not speak for the entire community. I hope that you realize that.

 

[Dr Pokenhiemer]

The overall safety record for the NASCAR Air Force is very good. Alan Kuwicki was killed when his plane had an engine failure on approach to TRI several years ago, then the King Air at Martinsville---that's all I can think of off the top of my head. I think someone had a King Air land gear up, but not sure if it was a mechanical problem or not. Most of their flights seem to be less than 2 hours with the exception of the west coast trips. Even though I got a bad taste with that one team, I still would like to fly for the right team.

BTW, I did mention to Kenseth that it's hard to get quaility rest when one wants to go to bed and the early stays up to watch tv. His reply? "It's a money thing. They already cost me $2000/weekend."

 

[Flywrite]

FYI the Haas opening appears to be for a CRJ.

 

[h25b]

I'm going to disagree that we have a reputation for creating "smoking" holes. That was a terrible loss, however, we deal with a highly challenging flying environment, arriving at minimally equiped airports and departing these same airports with severe congestion. It isn't like some 135 (or even 121) company's accident record. But I will say I highly disagree with SOME team's policy of room sharing.

The "reputation" that is out there is very well deserved. There are however a few individuals out there trying hard to change it. I know a couple personally. But until idiots like Kenseth start seeing the big picture not much will change.

As for challenging environments, you're not doing anything that other Part 91 or 135 crews don't do every single day. No incredible feats or magic going on. You take off, climb to altitude, descend, fly an approach, and land. Probably done it all at least 20 times over the past 7 days.

The Haas opening is indeed for a CRJ. They'll probably fill the position with some regional airline pilots that are willing to crew it for about 65K for a Capt. and around 45 to 50K for an F.O. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[SKYWAITRESS]

NOT ALL OF THEM ARE CHEAP and I speak from experience.

 

[Diesel]

Not all of them are cheap but a ton of them are.

Add in not wanting to pay for a second pilot, IFR GPS you name it. Oh yeah and then the mad dash come race over or if your driver crashes. Everybody taking off vfr every which way.

I've heard the industry is changing but very very slowly.

 

[justenjoyflyin]

yea it was for crj 200,, they pulled the advertisement from avaination, or I just cant find it anymore the position might be filled.

 

[Dr Pokenhiemer]

The mad dash isn't as bad as it was a few years ago. Now, usually a rep from ATC is set up at a table about an hour before the race is over and has everyone's IFR clearance ready. You go pick up your sheet. When your driver arrives, crank and go. No more sitting in line for 2 hours trying to get out. From what I saw, it's a pretty steady stream. I would meet my driver as he and his wife got off the helicopter shuttle and take them to the plane. We'd be taxiing out within 2-3 minutes and most of the time got right out for takeoff.

Five years ago I went to a race @ Talledaga and watched Dale Jr's planes start up and take off 2 hours later. I sat in the FBO for 3 hours waiting for traffic to get out. I rented a plane that day and couldn't bare to watch the hobbs meter running like a fan sitting on the taxiway.

 

[CAVOK69]

having done international part 135, and other domestic part 91 jobs. My only point was there are some challenges NasCar guys deal with that others don't. I never said it was an excuse for accidents or any feat of magic. And by challenges, all I meant was that for the most part, we don't go in to the bigger airports with good lighting and good approaches. This is by far not one of the most challenging jobs out there, but still more so than the average domestic 121 or corporate job. It isnt really worth arguing over, I just was trying to stress that the NasCar community's safety record is not that bad...

 

[h25b]

Just curious, not knowing where all the races are by heart, where the challenging airports are... Off the top of my head.

1. TMB - Homestead
2. MTV - Martinsville
3. DAY - Daytona
4. TRI - Bristol
5. GYR - Phoenix
6. AFW - Dallas Motor Speedway
7. IND - Indy
8. ASN - Talledega
9. RIC - Richmond
10. LAS - Las Vegas Motor Speedway

None of these are short fields or that big a deal. I know I'm missing some but where are the nastier ones?

 

[Dr Pokenhiemer]

It looks like you have been around long enough to know that any high traffic area can be challenging in it's own way. Talledaga, Alabama is no Teteboro by any means, but when you have to plan ahead and get an IFR arrival slot; or deal with all the planes of the drivers, family, team owners; and stuff like that it's just another job. Just about all the team pilots are used to all that stuff. Now throw in all the other hundreds of fans flying in their 172's and Cherokee's all trying to get into the pattern ahead of you because they are excited to get there or are paying based on the hobbs time, that's the challenging part. So much traffic that the FAA puts up temp. control towers at the uncontrolled fields. Trouble is, a lot of people don't check NOTAMS and don't know about the control tower--just another monkey wrench thrown in.

 

[h25b]

I'd rather put up with that stuff than go to ASE over the holidays.. What CAVOK's failing to understand is that many corporate operators (myself included) are going everywhere under the sun along with the races thrown in for good measure. I've flown for 2 companies with sponsorships. Where do you think they want to go on race weekend ? That's right, to the race to get to their box suites for $20 million dollar beer and fried chicken. So us other mere mortals are dealing with the same BS only we get to everywhere else as well.

Arrival slots, who the hell cares ??? What do you think happens at ASE, EGE, etc... during ski season. You got it, slots. You get 'em and you go.

As far as being cheap I was shocked when I read the MTV accident report in that Hendricks is probably the best financed team in the sport and they're running around with non-IFR GPS's with expired databases. WTF ? Makes you wonder about the rest of 'em. Then again, you have that same team just recently buying one of Bank of America's older GV's so maybe they've finally gotten the picture, lets hope so.

 

[SCT]

H25B,
Did Hendrick buy Banks GV? I know they sold their Falcon to another company on the field but did not here about the V. I take it you are from CLT.

 

[h25b]

H25B,
Did Hendrick buy Banks GV? I know they sold their Falcon to another company on the field but did not here about the V. I take it you are from CLT.

Yes, I saw them down at FXE some weeks ago and thought it was Bank of America. I said hi to the crew thinking it was B of A but indeed it was Hendricks Motorsports. They said they had just bought it and hadn't changed the tail number yet because it was still a "BA" tail number..

 

[SCT]

Hopefully, they'll change the N# and paint (unlike Brutton). N. Gypsum bought their falcon. Bank must be going to all G550s. Must be nice....I think all the ATM fees go right to the flight department!

 

[h25b]

Hopefully, they'll change the N# and paint (unlike Brutton). N. Gypsum bought their falcon. Bank must be going to all G550s. Must be nice....I think all the ATM fees go right to the flight department!

I saw Gypsum's Hawker in the Controller the other day for sale and we were wondering what they were getting. Yes, BA is getting all G550's and letting their "classic 5's" go...

 

[CAVOK69]

Just curious, not knowing where all the races are by heart, where the challenging airports are... Off the top of my head.

1. TMB - Homestead
2. MTV - Martinsville
3. DAY - Daytona
4. TRI - Bristol
5. GYR - Phoenix
6. AFW - Dallas Motor Speedway
7. IND - Indy
8. ASN - Talledega
9. RIC - Richmond
10. LAS - Las Vegas Motor Speedway

None of these are short fields or that big a deal. I know I'm missing some but where are the nastier ones?

I'm not failing to realize anything. I know what other corporate jobs are like, and yes the high traffic due to races does add to the challenge to these airports, but not all operators go in to the airports you listed. The airports you listed are fine for the team planes, but most of the drivers (operating smaller jets) will go into smaller fields... Instead of DOV, 33N. Instead of DAB 7fl6.

But as far as what you listed, you pretty much just listed the biggest airports we fly in to.. Doesnt get much easier than places like GYR and MTV

 

[h25b]

I'm not failing to realize anything. I know what other corporate jobs are like, and yes the high traffic due to races does add to the challenge to these airports, but not all operators go in to the airports you listed. The airports you listed are fine for the team planes, but most of the drivers (operating smaller jets) will go into smaller fields... Instead of DOV, 33N. Instead of DAB 7fl6.

But as far as what you listed, you pretty much just listed the biggest airports we fly in to.. Doesnt get much easier than places like GYR and MTV

I'm not trying to bruise your ego, but they're a lot of corporate ops. that got it way worse than you do (unless you're speaking of sharing a hotel room when you get there).

I got that list from Dale Jr.'s flightaware record. by the way...

 

[CAVOK69]

I'm not trying to bruise your ego, but they're a lot of corporate ops. that got it way worse than you do (unless you're speaking of sharing a hotel room when you get there).

I got that list from Dale Jr.'s flightaware record. by the way...

Im not bruised. All I was trying to tell you was that YES I agree that some go way beyond what I do. But having done all types of flying... my personal situation does go beyond the average corporate job... SinglePilot, short fields, manage the plane, and yes sharing rooms...

Not like it matters... I'm sure many pilots on this board have much more difficult jobs than both of us. My only point was that some nascar jobs are a challenge

 

[Count Dracula]

I would be out of the business if I had to share a room. Sorry, but my life is based on a set of values and this is nothing more than than nickle and dime economics. These people spend more money on their pet than what it costs for an additional hotel room per year. That's unacceptable and to those of you who do it............enjoy all the perks that go with it. And you wonder why this profession is going down the shtrrrr? Amazing.....

 

[climbhappy]

i'm chiming in with in:

flew some busch guys in the nineties.
had to demand payment for past trips before i'd leave. he had an amex so it was easy to reason with him. always chasing money. yet he had to buy a huge 150,000 luxury bus. i think they call it "cracker" rich.

recently, we flew the pit crews on our boeing the last couple of years. these guys are married to the same redneck woman who tried to stampede one another at the mall shown on national TV friday morning.

they would leave dirty diapers on the airplane. they were unruly, generally loud, obnoxiuos. the aiplane was always trashed.

cracker rich is when you think you're saving money on a hotel room, but will stroke a check for 25,000 when your jet has to come out of maintenance.
i would tell Kenseth to blow it out his redneck, left turning AR$E.