HA vs. AS

[igneousy2]

I can see how it can cost 1.0 million to staff a zone.

so say 2 zones in Hawaii at 2.0 million divided by 30,000 a cx and that is 33 a year or 2.7ish a month. That doesn't seem like that high a hurdle.

The best part about the new seats is the fact that when the person in front of you "reclines" there seat...it slides the seat cushion forward instead of the seat-back backwards...so they can now recline all they want and take up there own space instead of the people's behind them space. I can't wait for the seats. I don't know why they just don't pin all the seatbacks full upright anyway. I would take having to sit upright instead of having the seat in front of me in my knees anytime.

 

[AK737FO]

Alaskan brews a nice Stout...

 

[cougarblue]

well obviously I wouldn't get hired on at Alaskan, what about Hawaiian? How many buddy passes do they get? Do buddies still pay a fee to use them? What are schedules on the 330 like? I understand the 717 has an AM shift and a PM shift... very cool

thanks igneously2 for your previous response!

 

[cougarblue]

Also could someone chime in about the make up of the pilot group at Hawaiian & Alaska? Just curious about how old they are and the potential for seniority movement should the growth come to a halt. I have seen the numbers on Alaska over at airline pilot central but haven't ever heard or seen anything on Hawaiian

Thanks again in advance for any insight you may have

 

[Mookie]

Also could someone chime in about the make up of the pilot group at Hawaiian & Alaska? Just curious about how old they are and the potential for seniority movement should the growth come to a halt. I have seen the numbers on Alaska over at airline pilot central but haven't ever heard or seen anything on Hawaiian

Thanks again in advance for any insight you may have

Lots of mouth breathers here at Alaskan...

Mookie

 

[Rhino]

no transoceanic

Cessna Capt,

We do not fly Transoceanic at Alaska Airlines. That would be all the way to Asia. We only go "halfway" there. So, those longer duty and rest numbers do not apply.

So no, a pilot can't DH and then fly the leg back to the mainland. No matter how you slice it.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a morning zone/ evening zone reserve type of base in HNL someday. Soon? Maybe. As for now, they just call another crew that is already there and it is a re-assignment out of base (domino effect). That gives them more time to get another crewmember out there.

 

[CesnaCaptn]

Cessna Capt,

We do not fly Transoceanic at Alaska Airlines. That would be all the way to Asia. We only go "halfway" there. So, those longer duty and rest numbers do not apply.

So no, a pilot can't DH and then fly the leg back to the mainland. No matter how you slice it.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a morning zone/ evening zone reserve type of base in HNL someday. Soon? Maybe. As for now, they just call another crew that is already there and it is a re-assignment out of base (domino effect). That gives them more time to get another crewmember out there.

I guess this is a stupid question, but what makes you think flying to Hawaii isn't transoceanic? Has the company or the union made an interpretation? Would ANC-Japan be transoceanic? How about HNL-NAN(Fiji) as CAL used to do? In your mind, does HA do any transoceanic flying, or do you think they don't since all of their widebody flights begin or end in HNL?

I just reread that section of the contract and a pilot must still be scheduled for less than a 12:30 duty day making this conversation practically moot. What "longer duty day and rest rules" are you referring to? We already operate those flights under flag rules.

 

[Boxboy]

Hawaii to the mainland is the longest over water leg in the world without an alternate. I would say that it qualifies as "transoceanic".

 

[becket]

Hawaii to the mainland is the longest over water leg in the world without an alternate. I would say that it qualifies as "transoceanic".

The company and the globe would say you were incorrect.

 

[Rhino]

Management and the Association agree that flying to Hawaii is not Trans-Oceanic. What I think has nothing to do with it.

Section 12
Hours of Service​

3.

Trans-Oceanic: When a pilot is scheduled within the above

limitations on a trans-ocean flight, the duty requirement which
he need not exceed shall be increased to sixteen hours(16).​

D. ​

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Rest

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b. Trans-Oceanic: When a pilot is assigned to fly a transocean

flight, his on-duty period may not be broken by an
off-duty period of less than fourteen hours (14) block-in​

to block-out.


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