Gulfstream, whats the real story

[Goose Egg]

...I am sure there are not a lot of (earned 'em the right way) 1000 hour pilots who would choose to come fly 1900s in FL were it like other regionals.

If by "like other regionals" you mean that the pilots are actually paid for their trouble, then yes, I suppose you may have a point there. A job flying 1900s could provide some very good experience and the opportunity for a quick upgrade. However, the fact of the matter is that there is just too much opportunity out there right now for a 1000 hour pilot to justify going to an outfit like GIA. If I weren't hanging around trying to get 135 IFR minimums, I would have been out of instructing a while ago... but not to Gulfstream. Sorry. You don't speak for me.

-Goose

 

[Goose Egg]

Hmm.. I just re-read your post. Too late to edit, so apologies for not reading more carefully. You are right--there are not many that would choose to fly 1900's over an RJ--especially when pay for the RJ is typically better... And I suppose that's the whole point; at least they get paid to build SIC time. With the 50 or so multi that I have right now, there's several airlines that I could be at, making money. Not much, because these aren't the 'top of the heap' carriers, but it'd still be income as opposed to paying for training. I would never pay a company for the privilege of producing revenue for them.

-Goose

 

[chuckthepilot]

Another aspect,

When I quit flying skydivers I collected some resumes online so I wouldn't leave my boss hanging. I received no less than 15 requests from Gulfstream Academy graduates that wanted to quit flying 121 to come fly our little 206. I don't know if that was their exact situation, but that's what it looked like on paper. We turned them all down because of the low PIC time. If you pay for all that training and get turned away, where exactly can you go?


Charlie

 

[MINIME]

Geez....I wanted to stay out of this one. But the Russian thinking that SVCTA is what's wrong with this industry? Give me a break! Tomcat, you seem to try to justify the existence of such an outfit as Gulfstream as just another lil ole school where people pay their dues and learn light years of knowlege without any undo harm.

You're buying a position that should be earned in the first place. What's the problem with this concept? I'll give you my opinion and what I've observed over the few years of my career. The " I want mine now at any cost" attitude. The " I want my shiny new jet left seat now" syndrome. Ever heard of GJ or Freedom? Well, these places are filled with attitudes like these.
See, short cuts play into the hands of those that want nothing more than to screw every pilot that walks through their door. Short cuts flood the market. Creating a supply and demand problem against all pilots, including yourself.

I don't think every student that goes to a pilot mill school goes in with the intension of screwing anybody. But the reality of their actions need to be known. Not only for other pilots, but ultimately for their own career's sake. If you don't understand that, then that's what's really wrong with this industry now.

 

[jppt2000]

I think this thread again, is PFT flame material.
Maybe someone at the beginning of this thread should have advised the original poster to do a search on the subject of GIA and PFT.
Following advice on an anonymous message board should not be taken to seriously. I wouldn`t be surprised to see on the 11th page of this thread the original poster saying, gees I didn`t know of all the terrible things PFT does to "our" profession and then professes to follow the only true path to aviation salvation as outlined in these posts.
I wonder what these anti-PFTers would say if this subject came up with a ex- GIA captain they are flying with at any major, regional, corporate, or fractional operator they are flying with.
I know of many ex-GIA folks at the fractional operator I'm currently employed at. They are pretty much happy to be there and very senior to me.