bobbysamd
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The Three-Headed P-F-T Monster
1. It all boils down it being just a job. No one should pay for a job. There is a self-esteem and pride component here. Aviation is the only industry I know where some companies sell jobs. If you work hard enough and build your experience, and the experience does not necessarily have to be 121 turbine, you will eventually qualify for jobs for which you don't have to pay. Isn't ExpressJet now hiring street FOs with 1300 total-200 multi - and the airline is taking applications. Those mins are really very low in comparison to years ago. Moreover, you can go to Delta Connection Academy (Comair) or MAPD to be trained and be in line for airline interviews - without the stigma of having paid for a job.
2. P-F-T has ripoff and fraud potential. You are paying a potential employer to train you - with the real possibility, for anyone, of failing your training. How do you know that the company is looking out for your best interests when its real interest is to make money? The P-F-T outfit has a clear conflict of interest. In other words, the place could wash you out arbitrarily and keep your money. Go search Regional Airline Academy on the board for examples.
3. P-F-T demeans pilots overall. Management has no interest in treating pilots fairly and like men/women when it can get all the pilots it needs by selling jobs. By P-F-Ting, you indicate to the employer that you will tolerate unfair treatment and BOHICA. Succumbing to the sales pitches of P-F-T operators harms the cause of fair treatment of pilots.
I'll reiterate. There is no jealously, bitterness, pity-seeking, envy or rancor here. I would submit the ones who are jealous, bitter, pity-seeking, envious or rancorous are those who P-F-T'd because no one would hire them for free. Those who resort to personal attacks instead of facts and persuasion to try to get at anti-P-F-Ters are similarly troubled.
Once again, go search under "P-F-T" for more discussion.
Try searching "P-F-T" on the board for all the arguments. I'll try to summarize my opinions.Lineup&wt said:
1. It all boils down it being just a job. No one should pay for a job. There is a self-esteem and pride component here. Aviation is the only industry I know where some companies sell jobs. If you work hard enough and build your experience, and the experience does not necessarily have to be 121 turbine, you will eventually qualify for jobs for which you don't have to pay. Isn't ExpressJet now hiring street FOs with 1300 total-200 multi - and the airline is taking applications. Those mins are really very low in comparison to years ago. Moreover, you can go to Delta Connection Academy (Comair) or MAPD to be trained and be in line for airline interviews - without the stigma of having paid for a job.
2. P-F-T has ripoff and fraud potential. You are paying a potential employer to train you - with the real possibility, for anyone, of failing your training. How do you know that the company is looking out for your best interests when its real interest is to make money? The P-F-T outfit has a clear conflict of interest. In other words, the place could wash you out arbitrarily and keep your money. Go search Regional Airline Academy on the board for examples.
3. P-F-T demeans pilots overall. Management has no interest in treating pilots fairly and like men/women when it can get all the pilots it needs by selling jobs. By P-F-Ting, you indicate to the employer that you will tolerate unfair treatment and BOHICA. Succumbing to the sales pitches of P-F-T operators harms the cause of fair treatment of pilots.
I'll reiterate. There is no jealously, bitterness, pity-seeking, envy or rancor here. I would submit the ones who are jealous, bitter, pity-seeking, envious or rancorous are those who P-F-T'd because no one would hire them for free. Those who resort to personal attacks instead of facts and persuasion to try to get at anti-P-F-Ters are similarly troubled.
Once again, go search under "P-F-T" for more discussion.
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