Gulfstream Pilots

[wolfpackpilot]

For the sake of discussion, lets say a current and qualified 450/550 pilot is looking for a job somewhere in America (not me of course ). Are quality companies paying for the move or giving any type of incentives during the transition?

Obviously my next question is who’s hiring?

 

[GVFlyer]

A good company will buy your house and pre-pay taxes for your corporate move so that the value of the move package doesn't adversely affect your tax liability.

The move package should include the move itself, transportation of vehicles, air transportation for all family members, temporary living assistance in the form of a corporate condo or house or cash compensation to provide for same for at least 90 days as well as a cash allowance for temporary living expenses.

If you are moving a good distance, hotel accomodations should be covered if you elect to drive a vehicle to your new job location.

Any transportation you require from the place of your job location back to your home to facilitate your move should also be covered.


Additionally,the company might help with closing costs for your new home. Provide an assistant for easing you into the new community, helping with schools, spousal job placement and so forth.

Last I heard Abbott Labs was looking for a couple of experienced G-IV/G450 pilots. It was clear that they were looking for military guys as the job req called for a masters degree.


GV

 

[AA717driver]

WPP--Know anyone in CLT... TC

 

[GVFlyer]

WPP--Know anyone in CLT... TC

I thought B of A had filled their positions; are they looking again?



GV

 

[AA717driver]

Not that I know of. That's why I asked if he knows anyone down there. I'm clearly not on their mailing list when jobs come open... TC

 

[wolfpackpilot]

TC,

Im headed down there first of next year to visit. I've got a brother-inlaw who is an exec. with Wachovia (pronounced: Watch-over-ya) so Im going to visit them as well.

Thanks for the info GV, cant believe Im out on the Abbots job for lack of a "Masters". That must be one highly technical Gulfstream job.

Ive got 23 months to worry about it anyway. Have a wonderful Christmas guys.


WP

 

[AA717driver]

I'll call you. TC

 

[g4coxswain]

Just for general information for next time; the Abbott requirement for a Masters comes from the personel department; it's tied into the paygrade and what education level they think you should have to make that salary. It is not a show stopper. Very few military guys in the flight department.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Ive got 23 months to worry about it anyway. Have a wonderful Christmas guys.


WP

Big Bill, giving up so soon? Or just stirring the drink again?

Nothing will change til at least late '09 if at all and it may not be all bad if it does change.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

and it may not be all bad if it does change.

And thats not a chance Im willing to take. Ive got three small children and a loving wife to care for. Im not in this business for myself, and I dont have the funds or the time to gamble; hoping things go in my favor.

I have years of experience with unions at multiple airlines and I know trouble when I see it. Im not mad, bitter, or angry. I've learned you cant take things personally all the time. I'm simply getting my ducks in a row so I'm not standing on the corner saying: "Now What".

 

[Diesel]

I really think there isn't anything to worry about.

I think moving children and a wife for a corp position is more of a chance. when you've got a seniority number and a damn good benefits package.

 

[AA717driver]

Being on the bottom at NJA isn't what he signed on for. I don't blame him. I could go back to a job with union benefits and protection, too... But, the bottom is still the bottom.

He's probably smart to get out and beat the rush. TC

 

[Diesel]

he's not going to the bottom.

If for some crazy reason he did he wouldn't lose his seat or his pay.

Senority means nothing at nja except for bidding planes and vacation. There are no schedules to bid.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Diesel,

My bottom line is this. Ive been in this position before, and I've learned that this business involves factors I cant control. The current situation with our company is a perfect example.

You never, ever want to be the last guy when it comes to job searches. Fortune 100 companies dont like guys knocking on their door "AFTER" they got laid off. Makes them feel like they were always 2nd best to you anyway.

While I love my job, the people I work for and with; its just a job. And there are no promises in life. Ive got way too much at stake to go back another 4 steps. I did that plenty in another life called Part 121.

If I get in Bean Town anytime soon, you owe me a 3 gallon beer and some chow-dah!

 

[johnsonrod]

I'd certainly stay - it's not like the rest of NJA's fleet is so crappy... You can't beat NJA's stability and growth - plus its compensation has vastly improved.

 

[GVFlyer]

Just for general information for next time; the Abbott requirement for a Masters comes from the personel department; it's tied into the paygrade and what education level they think you should have to make that salary. It is not a show stopper. Very few military guys in the flight department.

Shows what I know.

Judging from the resumes I see, there are not a lot of pilots out there with masters degrees other than the military types. To be competitive for O4 in any service you need a masters.


GV

 

[Diesel]

I totally see what your saying I just think you might be jumping the gun a bit. I'm not sure what is going to happen but I believe what would be fair is that you keep your seats and pay.

What do i know though. When there is ego and emotions involved all bets are off.

I'm not just in BOS but TTN and VRB. If you get to anyof those I'll buy you a beer there too.

 

[AA717driver]

I'd certainly stay - it's not like the rest of NJA's fleet is so crappy... You can't beat NJA's stability and growth - plus its compensation has vastly improved.

It's not what he signed on for. If he wanted to work for NJA, he would have applied there. Nothing personal. TC

 

[batsky2000]

Wolfpack,
Just to give you a perspective of what is out there, I recently left for similar reasons to yours. I found a job not as a G450/550 pilot, but wish it was a G450/550. What I got was a job as a Global Express Captain, one of 4, with a company that was going to pay for my move, but told me that based on the fact that I live within 2 hours from them that I also had the choice to stay and drive. I decided to stay and drive and be paid for miles driven. Also, I get a guaranteed 10 days off per month on top of any other days off, all trips are Part 91 no charter, scheduled weeks in advance, and all of the trips are up and down the east coast,europe, and the Mediterranean, and any trip over 2 weeks long I have the option of comming home and swapping with another crew. Starting pay is $150,000 with all benefits paid for by the company, and I have no Glex time at all. The Glex is a nice aircraft also, and this one is loaded with all of the bells and whisles.

I can tell you this, I do not regret leaving at all, I am enjoying my new job much more so than NJI, but will say that NJI/NJA is a great operation as well.

 

[ghostrider64]

Wolf I wouldn't fear this particular change. If you think the overall organization ie...NJA etal...is going to fail then you are probably smart looking now for a job. If you don't like your present situation at NJI then you are smart to look for a job.

The Majority of us at 1108 want a fair transition. Fair to all of us which means: You get Superseniority in the position and aircraft you presently fly, assignment of a seniority number for bidding based a formula that would have to be agreed to by the Local and the company(wouldn't change anything if you are a G4/5 PIC) . What we would get is closure of a promise that occured over 10 years ago now. The G's would become another aircraft in the fleet flown by members of IBT1108.

As for Diesel's bean town ale, beware. The only good brew in this country is up in the Northwest where microbrews are more prevalent than Starbucks And I would be happy to buy the first round someday.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

The only good brew in this country is up in the Northwest where microbrews are more prevalent than Starbucks And

Your right about that! I'll take a Fat Tire over a Sam Adams... Its a no brainer.

American Wine and Beer have come a long way in the last 15 years. I'll put Sonoma and Seattle up against the Bordo and Munich anyday.

Merry Christmas

 

[G4dude]

Wolf Pack, I would urge you to stay at NJI. I recently had a lengthy conversation with a labor lawyer, and he was of the opinion that the IBT will have no case, because the snapshot in two years will show separate operations.
This is not intended to fire anyone up about union issues at NetJets, but rather a recounting what a labor lawyer said to me. NJI is such a good place, I worry when anyone leaves!
Good luck, whatever you decide.

 

[Publishers]

To go back to the original question, this is a market driven deal like most everything. A Fortune 500 may do all the things GV Flyer mentioned, but, many others would only make moderate allowances.
One of the big changes is that more and more aircraft are managed by management companies, both 91 and 135, and hence the relationship with the flight crew changes.

 

[Diesel]

Fat tire... just fat seattle chicks.

I'll take a boston brew any day. Munchen is by far my favorite place.

The west coast is nothing but fruits and berries. What do they know about beers? Nada

 

[ghostrider64]

Dude you only think chicks in Seattle are Fat because they were a lot of layers of fleece. But I'm here to tell you that the thinness and wonderful skin really comes through when you peel the clothes away

BTW If I might suggest you try a Black Butte Porter someday. No fruit and berry just good grog...

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Archers Ale, brewed by the "Sherwood Forest Brewers, LTD". Yeah I know the name is goofy, but oh my.....

thats some good beer.

As for my job, I love NetJets, I have great friends on "BOTH" sides of this deal. I dont wish anything but the best for everyone. But I also know unions, inside and out. And when you have no real input into your future... your just along for the ride.

So yes, Im keeping my options open, my ears to the ground, and I make it a point to never piss anybody off (too much ).

I cant afford to start over again, so I'll do what I think is in the best interest of my family. Meanwhile, I'll keep preflighting and coffee pouring for the man... with a smile on my face I may add! Im on one of those "really cool" trips right now.

 

[gulfstreameric]

I would just take the job, and enjoy the stability of a good long term company that will keep you, instead of cycling through airplanes, and hence pilots

 

[ghostrider64]

G4Dude you might want to ask your labor lawyer friend what it means when the company you work for creates a VIRTUAL SENIORITY LIST that is published based on the hiring date of each pilot at their respective branch of the same company.

Because my friend, that list was just agreed to by Netjets Corporate in the past couple of days.

One more hurdle jumped towards single carrier out of the way.

 

[AA717driver]

Seat grab. It's happening. TC

 

[Diesel]

virtual senority list is not a seat grab. It ensures that those that want to stay in the seat get to stay in the seat.