Gulfstream IV Type Rating?

[cl65@350]

Could someone out there tell me about the type program at simuflight or flightsafety? Is it 24-7 study and do they prepare you well for the checkride. Is there any gouge out there that one could get their hands on before training that will help prepare for day 1??? Thanks for all the info...

 

[justApilot]

I don't know about the Gwiz, but training on the cl600, iajet, lrjet (all FSI) was just as good as I received at my current employer. Same type syllabus. Instructors were excellent and were willing to stay after class if you had questions. There were always sims that you could get into to go through checklist flows and manipulate the systems. While sitting in an unscheduled sim after ground school a buddy of mine and I were approached by a new sim instructor, he needed to practice his bag of tricks. We flew around for a few hours while he did his thing. If you wish, you can get your manuals sent to you weeks in advance of your training date. They also offer enrichment courses on things like weather, radar, icing/deicing and what not. Good stuff. Have fun.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

All FSI courses are set-up to get you through as if you never have seen the airplane before..

You can show up cold, but of course that makes it MUCH harder on you.

Best bet is to get ahold of the FSI or Simuflite systems manual, checklist, and manuevers guides (stalls, steep turns). Know the emergencies and how to run the abnormals efficiently. Know the cockpit setup and systems checks. This will make the sims go MUCH smoother.

Most centers run 5-6 days a week. Some go 7 days. First week or so will be all classroom (8-4) then you will have a 4-5 hr sim block for the rest of the time.

Its not hard, Its not that "drinking from a firehose" BS people say, Systems knowledge is no longer that stupid "draw me the hydrauic system" $hit of the past. General knowledge only......but... It IS a lot to know and it IS a long 3+ weeks. Stay in a quiet, comfy hotel and be sure to set aside some time to relax a bit.

I bet you will find it much more laid back than airline training, you are now a big paying customer and they are nicer to you...heck, you may even find yourself bored after a bit.....

Good Luck and Have Fun!

PS - FSI Savannah does employ some pretty old stuffy folks who think they are gods gift to aviation for flying that outdated Dinosaur...

 

[banned username 2]

PS - FSI Savannah does employ some pretty old stuffy folks who think they are gods gift to aviation for flying that outdated Dinosaur...

Well if THAT doesn't pull GVFlyer out of the carpet fibers I don't know what will!

 

[bigD]

No no no...let's really pull GVFlyer out of the woodwork!

Why the hell is anyone flying the GIV or GV anymore? The thing is a flying phallus. One big overpriced overcompensation for the small penis pilots flying it. Chrome plated throttle quadrant? JEEEZUS! Feeling a bit inadequate? Just lift up and back on the chome plated levers for the reversers, and feel the plane shake as the movie star hopped up on heroin slams into the forward bulkhead since he forgot to fasten his seatbelt when you began to drag this flying monstrocity down to the airport. That'll make you feel better! Holy crap, I'd rather fly traffic watch in a puke smelling 172 than taint my logbook with the N-number of a god-forsaken Gulfstream IV or V. D@mn!!!!

 

[fokkerjet]

PS - FSI Savannah does employ some pretty old stuffy folks who think they are gods gift to aviation for flying that outdated Dinosaur...

When I went to GV initial about 3 years ago, I thought it was probably the best run program that FlightSafety has ever put on. I went to GIV recurrent a year later (after being out of the airplane for several years) and found that program being at parr with the GV program.

FlightSafety Savannah has really cleaned up their programs since they moved into the new training school several years ago........dare I say that Savannah is the standard that all other FlightSafety centers need to strive towards

cl65@350,

There used to be some notes floating around authored by a guy from Jet Aviation, I believe. I don't have mine anymore, maybe someone else can help. It may even be on the web?

 

[cl65@350]

Thanks everyone...you are a ton of help! I am posting another topic if anyone cares to help out on this one too...flying the GIV SP...how is the navigational capability flying into some of the 3rd world countries with little navaids...is it all GPS stuff and how comfortable is that...having never used it myself?? What about that Aspen accident a few years ago...what happened there???
Thanks

 

[banned username 2]

Thanks everyone...you are a ton of help! I am posting another topic if anyone cares to help out on this one too...flying the GIV SP...how is the navigational capability flying into some of the 3rd world countries with little navaids...is it all GPS stuff and how comfortable is that...having never used it myself?? What about that Aspen accident a few years ago...what happened there???
Thanks

The Aspen accident was a G-III and was pilot error...

 

[GVFlyer]

Well if THAT doesn't pull GVFlyer out of the carpet fibers I don't know what will!

I'm still here. This reminds me of a time when I recommended that we place an ad in one of the aviation trades that was simply two blank pages facing each other - the one on the left would simply be labled "Promises Bombardier has kept", the one one the right, "Promises Gulfstream has broken." I was told that Gulfstream doesn't dignify the existence of the "Challengers" to the throne by acknowledging their existence.

Please note that the most advanced transport category jet on the planet, the G550, gained full-up type certification last Tuesday. The G450 with the G550 cockpit, drag enhancements, and Fadec Tay engines will be next.

GV







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[fokkerjet]

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Please note that the most advanced transport category jet on the planet, the G550, gained full-up type certification last Tuesday. The G450 with the G550 cockpit, drag enhancements, and Fadec Tay engines will be next.

GV [/B]

And who would have thought the GI would still be in production this long................

 

[2000flyer]

Could someone out there tell me about the type program at simuflight or flightsafety? Is it 24-7 study and do they prepare you well for the checkride. Is there any gouge out there that one could get their hands on before training that will help prepare for day 1??? Thanks for all the info...

cl65,

A website, GOFIR.com used to have a neat little program on the GIV for studying limitations and memory items. I have the one for the 2000 and it's a nice little tool on my laptop for long hotel stays.

Regards,
2000Flyer

 

[avratdwc]

How does Simuflight stack up to FSI with regards to the training. I may be going to Simu for an initial in the G4. Anyone have any insight? Thanx in advance.

 

[Rick1128]

While I haven't dealt with Savannah, I have done both FSI and Simuflite. Personally, I perfer FSI. With a couple of exceptions the schools are smaller and more personalized. They are also more willing to do special training when requested. Simuflite tends to promise you the moon ( the marketing department, aka reps) and then the certification office saids NO right when you are in the middle of training. At Simuflite, I also felt like I was a small number to them.

But like I said, that is my personal opinion.

 

[banned username 2]

I'm still here. This reminds me of a time when I recommended that we place an ad in one of the aviation trades

"WE"??? HHhhhmmmm... So you DO work for Gulfstream...

The G450 with the G550 cockpit, drag enhancements, and Fadec Tay engines will be next.

What kind of range are they (ooppss.. meant "You guys") talking for the G450? 4,800NM?

 

[GVFlyer]

What kind of range are they (ooppss.. meant "You guys") talking for the G450? 4,800NM?

Nope, the target is the "advertised" range for the Falcon 900EX - 4500nm. The range for the G-IV has actually decreased over time. The addition of AFIS antennas, "Sugar Scoop" APU doors, SATCOM Antennas, TCAS antennas and the wide-nozzle Tays has actually increased total drag by a couple of drag counts and decreased the range from 4220nm to about 4120nm.

The advantages of the G-IV/G450 are a mature design offering extremely high dispatch reliability and a competitive price when compared to the Falcon 900EX. Take-off weight is projected to remain the same at 74,600 lbs as is fuel quantity at 29,500 lbs.

GV

 

[banned username 2]

The advantages of the G-IV/G450 are a mature design offering extremely high dispatch reliability and a competitive price when compared to the Falcon 900EX.

Our dispatch reliability is over 99% on our Falcon 900EX's... and we don't baby them, they each fly over 900 hours annually...

 

[CLCAP]

How will the 450 compare with the Global 5000? After reviewing the published specs of that airplane (and if they keep it that way) I have a hard time seing anybody buying a G400/450 for the same price.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

While I do think the 900 is very underpowered, I certainly have never heard of a dispatch reliability problem...thats reaching....

 

[GVFlyer]

How will the 450 compare with the Global 5000? After reviewing the published specs of that airplane (and if they keep it that way) I have a hard time seing anybody buying a G400/450 for the same price.

The G450 is designed to decrease Falcon 900EX market share and is priced accordingly at 34 million.

The G500 is aimed at the Bombardier Global 5000 and the Falcon 7X. A comparison follows:

Falcon 7x
Range @ .85 Mach - 5,100nm
Range @ .80 Mach - 5,700nm
T/O Dist. - 5,200
Ldg. Dist. - N/A
Max T/O wt. - 63,700
Price - 37 million

Global 5000
Range @.85 Mach - 4,800nm
Range @.80 Mach - 5,100nm
T/O Dist. - 5,000
Ldg. Dist. - 2,670
Max T/O Wt. - 87,700
Price - 35 million

G500
Range @ .85 Mach - 5,100nm
Range @ .80 Mach - 5,800nm
T/O Dist. - 5,150
Ldg. Dist. - 2,770
Max T/O Wt. -85,100
Price - 37 million

The G500 is not a developmental item and is available now.

GV

 

[banned username 2]

So why guy a G450 when for only $3 Million more you can have a G500?

Not trying to be a "Richard", just asking a serious question... The G-500 will give a LOT more range than the G450 for only a little more money... Seems like Gulfstream is grouping things too close together... Might as well buy a G400... It is only 380 miles less range.