Gulfstream Down in the South of France?

[AA717driver]

Last whiz bang copped an attitude because I questioned WTF we were doing flying an approach, expecting to land after doing the BC at SNA, in a 767-300ER.

My luck of the draw getting one of the frustrated private pilot sim instructors thought he was a Check Airman.

Laughing and crying at the same time.

I'm telling all the USAir people I see to bulldoze GSW and never let anyone who worked there into training at USAir. "Salt the earth."

They just go 'deer in the headlights'. We're doomed.

Hang in there, C150.

TC

 

[LegacyDriver]

C-150--Good post.

TC

+1

Well said.

 

[Fly91]

They don't need to call me.....WE will be calling them soon with information...........but I would welcome a call from the FAA and NTSB. I prefer it from the NTSB....FAA is a joke and already should have shut this shthole operation down.

Another piece of info a CURRENT employee told me yesterday. The OWNER of UJET was on the plane as part of the required 3 pilot crew. Got off in Nice so he could go home. Was supposed to stay on the plane for that last leg according to regs............so maybe a violation there.

Just what I heard yesterday from a CURRENT employee. Actually, employees are leaving fast.

Who in the hell wants the name Universal Jet on their resume.......

 

[X-rated]

Another piece of info a CURRENT employee told me yesterday. The OWNER of UJET was on the plane as part of the required 3 pilot crew. Got off in Nice so he could go home. Was supposed to stay on the plane for that last leg according to regs............so maybe a violation there.

What reg are you talking about? It was undoubtedly flown part 91 which would be legal if there were no passengers or cargo on board.

 

[Fly91]

What reg are you talking about? It was undoubtedly flown part 91 which would be legal if there were no passengers or cargo on board.

No idea. I'm hearing something was not legal.....from current employees at UJET. We'll see soon enough.

 

[G3G4]

From what I understand if the aircraft is on a 135 certificate, even though its flown empty, reposition, you still have to abide by the crew flight and duty limitations.
As far as the age rule, I believe you can be over 65 and be SIC as long as the PIC is under 60.

 

[G3G4]

This is just gonna make SMS even more of an issue! Most of us have it but unless we follow it and practice it, accidents will continue to happen.

 

[X-rated]

From what I understand if the aircraft is on a 135 certificate, even though its flown empty, reposition, you still have to abide by the crew flight and duty limitations.

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you suggesting that an airplane on a pt 135 certificate cannot be flown under pt 91?

You're almost right. According to the pt 135, you must count all flight time from the start of your duty day (including pt 91 flights) until the end of the pt 135 flight. Once the pt 135 flight is concluded, there is nothing to prevent you from flying under pt 91 since there are no flight time restrictions under pt 91. If you were to then fly another pt 135 leg, every leg would have to be considered since you are now flying under pt 135 rules which require all flight time to be considered. It would be different if an operator stipulated in their flight operations manual that all legs are to be flown pt 135, but that would be more restrictive then the actual regs.

If you fly the aircraft under pt 135, you have to comply with pt 135 rules. If you fly the aircraft under pt 91, you have to comply with pt 91 rules which do not address maximum flight time. And, before someone says this inconsistency is not safe, consider this particular flight. How would a 3rd pilot have made this flight safer? It's a 15 min flight from Nice to LFMQ. Should they have rotated the resting pilot every 5 min?

 

[gret]

Good post...and we all should stop speculating.

The uncle of the flight attendant posted a comment on an article about how bad Universal is and all he cared about was that his niece is dead.

http://www.examiner.com/article/for...chanic-speaks-out-about-gulfstream-g-iv-crash

 

[G3G4]

I see what youre saying but there is a grey area there that I'm sure will be investigated. Did the company pay off its own dime the relocation cost of moving the aircraft or was that still charged to the customer? When you consider regulations you are prob right but I'm sure the lawyers and insurance company will look at this leg as a charter 135 flight.

 

[G3G4]

A 3rd pilot always makes any flight that much safer. That's not to say they should have had 3 pilots, but we don't know where their flight originated from. We just know about nice to the french airport. If they had a third pilot that got off in niece, that tells me that he was onboard because of a long duty or flight day

 

[HawkerF/O]

Someone needs to make this ignorant b@stard famous. VIP Jet Captain Brent Coleman is an accident investigator now? He seems to know exactly what happened. You see, he knows the ujet ownership, so what he says must be the way it is. He also knows their insurers. Hmmm. So he knows each entity that the underwriter uses to spread the risk? Sure Brent. You letter impressed all of us!!!!

In a separate statement, Captain Brent Coleman, the chief pilot with an executive jet charter service, who has logged over 30,000 hours of flight time, offered his views on this accident in an email message sent on Tuesday, July 17, 2012. His remarks follow:

"Hello. I am an International VIP jet Captain/Chief Pilot. Le Castellet is one of our frequent stops. Very nice facility and long runway. Knowing the Ujet staff and ownership, even their insurer, I must say this has to be placed first at the hands of the Captain. High performance jet procedures will allow for a go around should the approach become unstable."

"As a rule, repositioning flights are not any different than revenue legs. In this case, maybe the copilot was getting some hands on experience. If the Captain did not react soon enough to add power and lift off again after landing long, the rest is history, unfortunately. Not the airplane's fault. This is the last thing that can happen with all the procedures followed. Kind, sad regards."

 

[TimsKeeper]

giv

This VIP Jet Captain is a pathetic individual with a lesser moral compass than most South Florida charter operators.

 

[gret]

Really...he retired from American after 30 years...must have been a real bad guy...do you feel better now after making your comment about a man that has passed away?

 

[K.V.]

This VIP Jet Captain is a pathetic individual with a lesser moral compass than most South Florida charter operators.

You're a real class act!

 

[C-150ETOPS]

You're a real class act!

I think he was referring to the jackwagon quoted in post #52 above and not the deceased.

 

[K.V.]

I think he was referring to the jackwagon quoted in post #52 above and not the deceased.

My bad.

 

[gret]

I think he was referring to the jackwagon quoted in post #52 above and not the deceased.

Same as K.V. if that is who he is talking about.

 

[TimsKeeper]

targeted post

Of course I was speaking of Coleman.

God Bless the crew and their families; trajedy can happen to any of us at any time.

 

[Fly91]

Pilot error, it's obvious. I have no problem saying that. That's what it smells like and looks like. People at the airport said they came in what looked normal except they were going to touch down beyond the halfway point. Many eye witnesses.

That's it. No go around = crash.