GTA Air

[User546]

And you got to love the company for offering PFT!!

"GTA has a time-building program for our Barons and Cessna 401's & 402's. This is a pay for training program designed for you to improve your flying skills as well as build flight time. You will be actively participating in all aspects of the flights you are assigned. You may expect to build 60 to 100 hours of time per month."

http://www.gtaair.com/employment.php

 

[wingnutt]

ok, i will say it again, this time at the top of my post because you seem to be missing it. the pay does suck. but, for a low time guy that could either keep flight instructing or go get some twin time in the night cargo arena for the same (or more) wages then they were making doing the CFI thing, it cant be beat. but as i also pointed out, there pay is right in line with all the other cargo outfits in the area...all four of em.

Like I said, I didn't know they only paid 800, or even 1000 at the time I applied. If I would've known that (they wouldn't discuss pay, guess they were too embarassed.) I wouldn't have applied. Besides, I was only looking for a part-time gig anyway.

you didnt know what they paid, but you applied anyways? hell, they dont even hire part time guys! do you often go around applying to companies you know nothing about? ...thats a good plan, but it sounds like sour grapes to me

 

[wingnutt]

And you got to love the company for offering PFT!!

"GTA has a time-building program for our Barons and Cessna 401's & 402's. This is a pay for training program designed for you to improve your flying skills as well as build flight time. You will be actively participating in all aspects of the flights you are assigned. You may expect to build 60 to 100 hours of time per month."

http://www.gtaair.com/employment.php

yes, now that sucks big time. nothing good i can say about it...there goes my company man status now, dosent it

 

[pilot_guy]

you didnt know what they paid, but you applied anyways? hell, they dont even hire part time guys! do you often go around applying to companies you know nothing about? ...thats a good plan, but it sounds like sour grapes to me

They weren't forthcoming about the pay, but I said that already. Also, I dropped off a resume, and mentioned I was looking for part time work. They didn't say if they did or didn't hire part time when I spoke with them. Doesn't hurt to ask. As I said, if I would've been offered 800/mo, I wouldn't have taken it anyway.

Sour grapes? Not hardly. I wasn't citing GTA as the evil empire, instead that all parasite operators such as this are bad for pilots. That you advocate such a company to new pilots shows your lack of support for those in your field. Hope you aren't in the mentoring business. Though I assume you're like some I have met with the, "I have mine, so screw the rest of you" mentality. I know I'll go out of my way to help a new guy, and at the same time, reinforce the idea that we can't settle for anything less than a living wage, and 1000 a month is not a living wage! Even 1500 a month is crap!

Pilots have spent too much money on training, and carry far too much responsibility to be paid so d*mn little. I don't expect a new guy to be making 30k or so flying a bonanza, but atleast pay him enough to pay his rent and still have money to buy something other than Ramen to eat. Even entry-level work deserves better pay. The guy flying the plane didn't come out of truck driving school you know!

You're really on GTA's sack. Hope they're paying you for it, or are you one of mgmt. here in disguise?

You need a refill on that Kool-Aid?

Anyway, it's a waste of time to argue with you. Although you don't advocate PFT (I'm shocked?!?! and relieved.), your idea of a path way for a new guy is scary. Don't listen to him kiddos, cause you're cutting your own throats and those of your peers.

 

[wingnutt]

That you advocate such a company to new pilots shows your lack of support for those in your field. Hope you aren't in the mentoring business. Though I assume you're like some I have met with the, "I have mine, so screw the rest of you" mentality. I know I'll go out of my way to help a new guy, and at the same time, reinforce the idea that we can't settle for anything less than a living wage, and 1000 a month is not a living wage! Even 1500 a month is crap!

for the record, i am not advocating one of them over the rest. all three (four if you count MRA) are low tier jobs, designed to get you some time and get the hell out. if you would rather keep instructing in a 152 for 800 or less a month, thats fine, have fun. but if you want to get some real experience and make more money, albeit not much, then any of the four cargo operators are definately the way to go. how you cannot see that is beyond me.

Anyway, it's a waste of time to argue with you. Although you don't advocate PFT (I'm shocked?!?! and relieved.), your idea of a path way for a new guy is scary. Don't listen to him kiddos, cause you're cutting your own throats and those of your peers.

yes, by all means dont go get into the night cargo single pilot world, it can do nothing but hurt your career. and with big words like tool, kool aid and now sack, i wonder how i ever made it this far in aviation without an attitude like yours

 

[pilot_guy]

Didn't say not to fly night cargo, just don't fly for someone who's gonna pay 800 or 1000 a month, and yes, there ARE people out there who will pay better.

Now you're criticizing my vocabulary instead of the argument itself? Just another nerdy pilot type I see...

You're still a tool. Maybe your should negotiate contracts with mgmt? I'm certain the ALPA and Teamsters would welcome your help

 

[Duderino]

you guys crack me up. its such a bad place, but one of you applied there, and didnt get the job, so you decide to bash them. the other one got the job and now that you have a comfy job, feel free to bash them...and yet proudly display the airplanes you flew for them on your profile

pay...the pay starts at 1,000 a month (not 800) and 500 more once you fly the twins, and there are (were!) raises available. texstar pay is the same 1500 to fly their twins. telesis i believe was the same 1500 to start, but had quicker raises. martinaire only pays ~300 more to fly caravans, also at DFW...and we wont even start with first year pay at the regionals

dont get me wrong, none of the 3 piston operators are anything to crow about, and the pay does suck. but, its not a job meant to stay at for any lengthy period of time. do it for awhile, get some twin time and move on. bitch about it if you must, but just remember where you came from...or perhaps where you wanted to come from

I know where I "came from" and it wasn't crumy shiholes like GTA AIR. I don't know why you are an advicate for these scam artist, there is nothing good about the place and I would never proudly display anything on my profile that ever set in thier hangar. Honestly it sounds like you still work for them. Are you the old guy that used to work there?

 

[wingnutt]

Now you're criticizing my vocabulary instead of the argument itself? Just another nerdy pilot type I see...

...awww, did i hurt your feelings? so, you can resort to calling names, but get called on it and whine? wow, you are good

I know where I "came from" and it wasn't crumy shiholes like GTA AIR.

thank you. thats the post i was waiting for. as if Texstar was/is any better? you have got to be joking....please tell me youre joking

 

[Duderino]

You suck wingnutt. Why don't you go pop some back pills and avoid your wife. You are a miserable old man, with 854 post at flightinfo. You are critizing other peoples profile, when you won't even let people know what you do now. Current position should read under Doug's Scrodum. You are the kind of sarcastic douchepump that acts arrogant, that can't even fly. I have met your type. Stick to your "King Air Rating" and go f yourself.

 

[wingnutt]

ooooo...struck a nerve, eh

 

[wingnutt]

look here you yahoos. one more time. i am NOT advocating one over the other. they are all on the same level. 1000 a month sucks, but in as little as a few weeks, you can be in the twins flying for the same amount of money as all the other operators in DFW.

if someone were to come on here slamming any of the other three as being better or worse than the rest, i would be posting the same way. i ought to know, i have personally worked for all four of them in one capacity or another, be it directly, as a contract pilot, or simply covering a route for one of them becasue all their dam planes were flying, broke, or gounded by the FAA.

...have a nice day

 

[pilot_guy]

Hurt my feelings? Not hardly. You didn't call me on it, just tried to duck the issue by shifting focus to my vocabulary...your arguments are weak, so you pull the tactic of all poor conversationalists, and change the subject.

So, you've worked for all four, now I see why you're so defensive. Can't do any better than flying for GTA, so you feel like a slam at one is a slam at you? Sucks to be you, man if you weren't smart enough to learn your lesson with one sh*tty operator, then no wonder you're the "expert".

Not only are you a tool, but you're a tool for a suck a** company. What a loser.

Duderino and I will mix you up some more Kool-Aid, and then it's naptime, ok?

 

[pilot_guy]

You suck wingnutt. Why don't you go pop some back pills and avoid your wife. You are a miserable old man, with 854 post at flightinfo. You are critizing other peoples profile, when you won't even let people know what you do now. Current position should read under Doug's Scrodum. You are the kind of sarcastic douchepump that acts arrogant, that can't even fly. I have met your type. Stick to your "King Air Rating" and go f yourself.

Hell yeah! Amen brother! He's prolly CP with one of the operators, feeling all god-like cause he reigns supreme over POS a/c, and a bunch of kids who haven't had anyone tell them any different. I bet he even thinks he's doing some newhire a "favor" giving them such a great "stepping stone" like GTA. Gimme a break

 

[wingnutt]

Hurt my feelings? Not hardly. You didn't call me on it, just tried to duck the issue by shifting focus to my vocabulary...your arguments are weak, so you pull the tactic of all poor conversationalists, and change the subject.?

ummm, no...go back and read. its you who likes to divert attention with name calling. i replied to each and every issue you brought up in my posts. please tell me which issue i "ducked" so i may go forth and redeem myself...you cant because i ducked nothing. nice try though

So, you've worked for all four, now I see why you're so defensive. Can't do any better than flying for GTA, so you feel like a slam at one is a slam at you? Sucks to be you, man if you weren't smart enough to learn your lesson with one sh*tty operator, then no wonder you're the "expert". Not only are you a tool, but you're a tool for a suck a** company. What a loser.?

there you go with your brilliant conversation again. let us count the remarks, shall we? i count 8, and yet you think i am the one with issues. again...nice try

Duderino and I will mix you up some more Kool-Aid, and then it's naptime, ok?

nah...no naps when i only work 8-10 days a month

Hell yeah! Amen brother! He's prolly CP with one of the operators...

and no...im not (and since were talking about more than 5 years ago) nor was i ever anything more than a line pilot. im not gonna say it was never offered, but theres no way in hell you could get me to do any of those jobs...they dont pay enough to put up with all the whiney pilots

 

[pilot_guy]

p*ssies use terms like "issues"

You're still a corporate tool...anyone with half a brain can see it, including me. HA!

 

[supercrewz7]

Hey! Why all the fuss guys? Let me briefly tell you my story and you decide for yourself....In the late 90's, after instructing almost 800 hrs I had 1300 total and could not even get a regional to look at me. A friend of mine got on at GTA and put in a good word for me. I was hired and they agreed to give me $1500.00 a month if I would do a little maintenance work on the side. I did a lot of maintenance at first and then after a few months not much. Yes, Doug and Bonnie are tough sometimes to deal with, but if you show up on time and do your job you won't hear much from them. Yes, the money was low but you have to realize that on a Bonanza, Baron, or 402 the profit margin for flying checks is small. I had friends at the other two companies there at Love Field also, and they complained about their aircraft and pay as well. I would never accept an aircraft that I felt was unsafe. During the 18 months that I was there, our maintenance was pretty good.
Looking back, after flying in all weather day and night, it was the toughest flying job I ever had. It also taught me more about flying and being a commercial pilot that any other place, before or since, for that I am greatful. There is no substitute for experience. I know many of the pilots (guys and gals) that flew there have gone on to fly for the majors, nationals and regionals....You'll need that experience someday when your flying in the dark of night with a full load passengers above the snow-capped Western Montana mountains when the weather is low and your first officer points out an electrical problem or that the deice system does not appear to be working or one of many other problems that could test your skills.........Ah memories........sorry for the book!.....Thanks for listening and Have a Merry CHRISTmas!

 

[wingnutt]

welcome supercrew, sounds like you and i had identical experiences.

and oh yea...lookout pilot guy, he must be another corporate stooge!!!

 

[350DRIVER]

GTA French Cap ee tin?

Many moons ago I remember one memorable flight on GTA while hitching a ride from HOU to DAL that was hard to forget. A French captain (forget his name but could never forget the accent) was nice enough to let me ride a long since I needed to get into Dallas for a meeting early the next morning. If only I knew what I was in for, should have been a red flag when he mentioned a few mx stories about a couple abnormal and emergency situations that got him during his time at GTA. To make a long story short I knew I was in for somewhat of an eventful ride when he lit up a smoke on taxi out and was still working on the weight and balance papers as we we're cleared into position and rolled onto 12R at HOU. I don't think I ever laughed as hard as I did that night, the sad thing is that this situation probably should not have been viewed as overly comical and could have possibly turned into a disaster. I wish I could remember this dude's name, anyone know if this particular French captain is still among the ranks at GTA present day?. Funny guy, chain smoker, and someone who is hard to forget!.

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[350DRIVER]

any GTAers out there that may know if he is still around?

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[cosmotheassman]

Wingnutt. If Hillary is someone you look up to, I feel extremely sorry for you.