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That immediate network growth means Southwest will realize a faster-than-normal return on its investment – and so could investors.

In addition, the company is already building up its international bid by planning to offer flights to Europe as early as 2015. There will be more airline mergers over the coming quarters, but it’s doubtful that any will present such a strong value to shareholders.

Interesting point here....wonder where they got this info from?
 
That immediate network growth means Southwest will realize a faster-than-normal return on its investment – and so could investors.

In addition, the company is already building up its international bid by planning to offer flights to Europe as early as 2015. There will be more airline mergers over the coming quarters, but it’s doubtful that any will present such a strong value to shareholders.

Interesting point here....wonder where they got this info from?

Great, I for one can hardly wait for the day that I can fly from BWI to Barcelona for $99 each way in the back of a guppy. Last question, are there any airlines that fly to Europe that don't offer any food? Just a question.
 
That immediate network growth means Southwest will realize a faster-than-normal return on its investment – and so could investors.

In addition, the company is already building up its international bid by planning to offer flights to Europe as early as 2015. There will be more airline mergers over the coming quarters, but it’s doubtful that any will present such a strong value to shareholders.

Interesting point here....wonder where they got this info from?


Please re-read the following.

On September 27, Southwest announced that it will buy AirTran for $1.4 billion. The acquisition finally gives Southwest that coveted spot in Atlanta, as well as residence in 36 new airports. “Just by acquiring [AirTran] it allows us to expand our network 25%,” said Southwest spokesman, Paul Flanigan.
That’s potentially 25% more routes… 25% more destinations… and most importantly 25% more customers. Practically overnight. Not only that, it gives Southwest access to new international routes in Mexico and the Caribbean – a first in the company’s 40-year history.


HEY PALS! I hope you are having ONE HECK OF AN EVENING. Upon reading that article, and reading the underlined statement, I would think that means you at SWA are GAINING AT's routes and new cities, not adding on top of what both of you had. That would be the extra 25%. There is NO WAY you could get 25% more routes, planes, airports, etc PRACTICALLY OVERNIGHT. You just can't. And, as far as growth goes, I honestly don't know of many more markets you could further exploit without getting more gates and slots. Sure, you could beef up ATL a bit more (although 25 min turns will be tough there, AT doesn't do that now), but where else is there a lot of room to grow? You are already big in DEN, PHX, LAS, MCO, TPA, FLL, MDW, MKE, BWI, etc. Can you give me some more ideas, because I can't think of any. You may increase some INTL destinations like the Caribbean and maybe Mexico (kinda dangerous down there right now), but that is about it. And, I just don't see any 737s going to Europe, even -800s. Most of your upcoming growth might be in the form of seats in the BACK of the plane, adding 737-800s and replacing older 737-300s/500s. That wouldn't really mean extra pilots, though. If you have any extra insight, please share it with the group MY BROTHERS!!! YOU GUYS ROCK!

Regardless, you guys are SUPER DUPER FANTASTIC. REALLY. AWESOME. And if you have time tonight, please do something nice for someone out there, like striking up a conversation with a toll booth operator at the Lincoln Tunnel. I know those guys love to talk for hours, even if there are extra cars waiting behind you. They are people too, with feelings. See ya!


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
GL, realize that when two route structures combine, they will result in many more "routes" to fill in the holes between each others cities. Just like DAL/NWA is growing, SWA will grow. 25%? Oh yeah.
 
I can't believe I am going to say this but I agree with General Lee.

And when the smaller stations aren't running 15 flights a day they may go bye bye.

We're entering uncharted waters. The only constant is change.

Gup
 
GL, realize that when two route structures combine, they will result in many more "routes" to fill in the holes between each others cities. Just like DAL/NWA is growing, SWA will grow. 25%? Oh yeah.

Scoreboard,

I can see growth out there, maybe between some of the current AT cities and current SWA hubs, but a lot of the AT cities are smaller cities, like Bloomington, or Moline. Sure, you can add some flights from there to MDW or LAS, but you have got to have the extra planes (the new SWA planes are coming to replace the old 733s and 735s), and you also have to have spare parts for any new planes (717s) around the rest of the system. Will you see a 717 do six stops from BWI to SAN? Maybe, but even Jetblue pulled the E190s out of LGB because of the lack of parts on the West Coast. Are there currently any 717s on the West Coast? Only in Hawaii. Sure, there will be growth, but I don't think SWA wants to cut anything away from ATL, and that means a lot of hub and spoke maybe with the 717s, and 737s doing normal multiple stop transcons. It will be interesting to see, and a merger does open up a lot more possibilities, just don't expect to see them too soon. There is a lot of work to be done before you see good synergies. BUT, DO KEEP THAT EXCITEMENT UP. IT IS PALPABLE ON THIS BOARD!!!!

Regardless, ALL OF YOU GUYS ARE FANTASTIC. KEEP KICKIN BUTT OUT THERE MY BROTHERS!! And, if possible, try to do something nice for someone or something tonight. If you see a coyote in the alley behind your house, throw him a slice of pizza. That might just save your neighbor's loudazz poodle that is stuck outside every night. See ya!


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
When Southwest purchased Morris Air in 94 they didn't hold on to all their routes. Eugene OR, Colorado Springs and Fresno were all dropped and not added to the Southwest route system. I suspect they will use the same approach this time around and thoroughly analyse each route from every city Airtrain serves..
 
I can't believe I am going to say this but I agree with General Lee.

And when the smaller stations aren't running 15 flights a day they may go bye bye.

We're entering uncharted waters. The only constant is change.

Gup

Funny. I was thinking the same thing.
 
http://seekingalpha.com/article/230392-southwest-welcomes-airtran-on-board-sees-immediate-25-growth

Nothing like growth potential to STFU a bunch of whiney F/Os. Once we bust out of the US border.... Look out world.

We're acquiring Airtran. Airtran is essentially 25% the size of SWA. Hence the immediate 25% growth. Get it?

In the wake of the Airtran acquisition, us whiny F/Os are left with a monstrously large company (700 aircraft) that will be pretty dang resistant to growth. For example, if we were to grow 10% each year, here's what we would need in net aircraft deliveries:

2012: 70 net aircraft (770 total airplanes)
2013: 77 net aircraft (847)
2014: 84 net aircraft (931)
etc. etc.

Possible? I guess anything's possible. Likely? Umm..no.

And to put the 50 737s Airtran has on order in perspective: If every single one of the aircraft were all delivered immediately upon conclusion of the acquisition, it would only represent 7% growth.

So...until I hear about 787 orders and far international, don't expect me to get too excited about this huge growth potential.
 
I would expect that 25% growth figure to be whittled down, ALOT.

Haven't taken the time to look at the cities, but take a Florida city example. Currently SWA goes into TPA MCO RSW fairly well. With Airtran they pickup SRQ, about a 45 min. drive to either TPA RSW. SWA flies into ORF, AT flies into PHF, another 30/45 minute drive.

AT flies into LEX, SWA into SDF....another 45 min. drive between cities.

Not saying they won't keep them, just seems a little "close" for typical SWA service.
 
I, for one, enjoy the new General Lee.


Me too . . . Kind of reminds of of the old "Politeness Man" character in National Lampoon magazine. :laugh:

To Candide:

Interesting, but some growth may be from utilization as well . . . AirTran gets an extra hour a day out of our airplanes, if SWA did that with the existing fleet, you'd get another 500+ hours a day of flying, which would be several hundred more Captains and FO's. Of course, a lot of that flying is CDO's and redeyes.
 
Supposedly, I think our aircraft utilization went from 11 hours a day to 13.6 starting this fall????? Any one know?
 
25% is a goal, like 15 ROI:)

Gupwn,
And when the smaller stations aren't running 15 flights a day they may go bye bye.
I disagree, you'll remember the ground ops folks just contractually "gave away" any station with fewer than 12-15 flights to subcontractors. Now do those places make sense? Yes. The same guy who checks you in for SWA in Moline is the same guy who checks you in for Republic, all contract workers.
 

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