Great Picture of Steve Wynn's New Gulfstream G650 - Gorgeous Airplane...

[PilotKitch]

You are correct according to a more recent discussion I had with a friend who should know. But I forgot to ask what the characters on the tail mean....

Yeah, being her pilot brings a certain knowledge of things... Still haven't seen the interior of the 650 yet though...

 

[johnsonrod]

Yeah, being her pilot brings a certain knowledge of things... Still haven't seen the interior of the 650 yet though...

Slot machines and cigar/beer-stained chairs.

 

[RJLoser]

Kitch- check pm

 

[GLEXPilot]

Cabin still feels like a tight Gulfstream cabin. However the one that we demoed was the most silent airplane I have ever been on in flight, I though our global was quiet but the 650 you could whisper on.
Boss decide to wait and see what Globals 7000 would look like.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Cabin still feels like a tight Gulfstream cabin. However the one that we demoed was the most silent airplane I have ever been on in flight, I though our global was quiet but the 650 you could whisper on.
Boss decide to wait and see what Globals 7000 would look like.

So, he's got 6 or 7 or 8 years to kill?

The 7000/8000 is nothing more than 1's and 0's in a computer at this point. I don't see that airplane flying for a looooong time.

Here's the major problem: The 6000 is a 99,000 lbs+ airplane. To compete against the 650, the 7000/8000 will need to add at LEAST 1000 miles in range. Where are they going to put the fuel? They HAVE to stay under 100,000 lbs to operate at TEB. Otherwise, it just ISN'T viable as a bizjet.

If they go clean-sheet on the design, it will add YEARS to the development schedule. I just can't see Bombardier delivering on the marketing promises of the 7000/8000 by the end of this decade.

 

[GLEXPilot]

So, he's got 6 or 7 or 8 years to kill?

The 7000/8000 is nothing more than 1's and 0's in a computer at this point. I don't see that airplane flying for a looooong time.

Here's the major problem: The 6000 is a 99,000 lbs+ airplane. To compete against the 650, the 7000/8000 will need to add at LEAST 1000 miles in range. Where are they going to put the fuel? They HAVE to stay under 100,000 lbs to operate at TEB. Otherwise, it just ISN'T viable as a bizjet.

If they go clean-sheet on the design, it will add YEARS to the development schedule. I just can't see Bombardier delivering on the marketing promises of the 7000/8000 by the end of this decade.

We have a new 6000 coming online in about a month. The demo was to see if the 650 was an option for us. As in does it do a lot more for us than we can do with our 6000. The 7000 is 10 feet longer inside and will weigh in around 120,000 MTOW. TEB is not a concern for us as we also operate a BBJ.
You may be correct the 7000/8000 may never come to fruition, however when it comes time to buy the new one we should have a better idea.
I see a few years from now winding up in a 650. Whatever the plane is I don't really care just as long as I am the one flying it.

 

[gutshotdraw]

I like the fact that your boss isn't afraid to spend the money for the latest and greatest. Wish there were more like him out there.

The 650 is going to be the "must-have" for the folks who don't even blink at a $65 million price tag, at least for the next several years. Wish my company had continued the relationship with Savannah for at least a SHOT at flying the 650. But our last CEO burned that bridge. After he blew it up. And then he paved over the wreckage.

Good luck with the 6000 and let us know how it turns out.

 

[njcapt]

I like the fact that your boss isn't afraid to spend the money for the latest and greatest. Wish there were more like him out there.

The 650 is going to be the "must-have" for the folks who don't even blink at a $65 million price tag, at least for the next several years. Wish my company had continued the relationship with Savannah for at least a SHOT at flying the 650. But our last CEO burned that bridge. After he blew it up. And then he paved over the wreckage.

Good luck with the 6000 and let us know how it turns out.

Gulfstream is going to have to get it's most high profile customers to lobby for a weight and wingspan exemption in ASE, or the 650 is going to lose a few sales.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Total shakedown by Pitkin County. Just like the RNP Approach debacle a few years back.

 

[X-rated]

So, he's got 6 or 7 or 8 years to kill?

The 7000/8000 is nothing more than 1's and 0's in a computer at this point. I don't see that airplane flying for a looooong time.

Here's the major problem: The 6000 is a 99,000 lbs+ airplane. To compete against the 650, the 7000/8000 will need to add at LEAST 1000 miles in range. Where are they going to put the fuel? They HAVE to stay under 100,000 lbs to operate at TEB. Otherwise, it just ISN'T viable as a bizjet.

If they go clean-sheet on the design, it will add YEARS to the development schedule. I just can't see Bombardier delivering on the marketing promises of the 7000/8000 by the end of this decade.

I called TEB airport when we placed our order for a 7000 back in 2010. As long as you send a copy of your weight and balance to to the tower advising you are not operating above 100K pounds, there will be no problem flying the 7000/8000 in or out of TEB. Considering the planes will have a 7300 and 7900 nm range with full tanks, I wouldn't think you would top off all that often. ASE will be an issue because of the wingspan as it is with the G650.

Also, I met with our Bombardier salesman this past week, and he assured me the program is still on schedule. First deliveries are expected to take place in 2016. I'm not sure if you can call it a completely clean sheet design as they are adding a plug to the existing airframe for the 7000, and the tube for the 8000 will be the same as the Express/XRS/6000. Also, I'm sure they will keep some of the systems. The new planes will have a new high speed wing, new more efficient engines, fly by wire, and carry more fuel. Why are you so sure the program will be delayed 4 years? I've seen nothing from Bombardier in the 7000/8000 quarterly updates to support that theory.

 

[X-rated]

The 7000 is 10 feet longer inside and will weigh in around 120,000 MTOW.

According to the Bombardier Fact Sheet for the 7000, MTOW will be 106,250.

 

[Partyfoul]

Because every Bombardier large cabin airplane has met the initial specs published? I'm still waiting for the 6000/XRS to do 6500NM like it was supposed to. Considering that the XRS is a 96K airplane that does 6100NM how do you think that the 7000 will go 1000NM further while weighing 10K pounds more? I would imagine only 3K of that will be fuel..

 

[X-rated]

Max fuel on the 7000 is 47450 compared to 45100 on the 6000 for a difference of 2,350 lbs.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Because every Bombardier large cabin airplane has met the initial specs published? I'm still waiting for the 6000/XRS to do 6500NM like it was supposed to. Considering that the XRS is a 96K airplane that does 6100NM how do you think that the 7000 will go 1000NM further while weighing 10K pounds more? I would imagine only 3K of that will be fuel..

Ding!

Winner, winner. Chicken dinner.

 

[X-rated]

The GE Passport 20 engines are supposed to deliver at least 8 percent more fuel efficiency. If you look at the leading edge of current Globals, you'll notice that is one big ol' fat boy wing with huge canoe flap tracks. Seems to me there is room to improve the fuel efficiency. I don't know if they will meet the 7300 and 7900nm range numbers, and I really don't much care. The huge majority of our trips are 5000nm or less. Anything approaching 7000nm combined with the much larger cabin of the 7000 will be just fine. I don't see any possible way the 8000 won't significantly surpass the G650's range numbers.