Great money, some semblance of a life (Piston 135 freight)

[Boris Badenov]

A little birdy tells me that Flight Express (FLX) is hiring (what else is new?) More to the point, though, they're looking real hard for a guy in KC. The way it was explained to me, it's a 15 hour duty day run. I don't know what that means, but I know that with the handy windows calculator, that's 51k first year. So if you're recently divorced, broke, don't have any friends, like sleeping in recliners, and have 1200TT, call 1-800-OPS-KORL ext. 613 and ask for Gary.

 

[RedGuy]

They probably pay by the flight hour, not the duty hour. So probably take that $51K and cut it in half. BTW a 15 hour duty day would be illegal, you only get 14 hour 135. That is unless that last hour is coming home part 91. However I do know where you can make about $51k flying twin Cessna's and be home almost every day. Be prepared to fly your but off though.

 

[Boris Badenov]

No, they pay by the duty hour. flightexpress.com I don't have any details on the 15 hour duty day run, but I doubt it's a Part 91 return leg. Maybe a special pay for what sounds like a difficult run? Either way, not bad money for a guy with 1200 hours. I used to work for them and the maintenance is good, CP and DO fair.

 

[spg2bmd]

Where is this twin cessna job?

 

[Boris Badenov]

It be official. Because MKC is the domicile of least interest the runs are now $15/duty hr. What this means is the lowest paying run is $30,030. M-Thr, 1830-0215 & Fri 1830-2300. Weekends off.

The big dog pays $51,363.00. Schedule is longer. M-F 0530-1840. Weekends off.

Both are in Cessna 210s. All time logged is PIC (no right seat in the plane). You MUST have the IFR mins and they are 1200TT, 500XC, 100 night, 75 instrument. If you are interested pm me. Hopefully this run will fill quickly.

JohnGlenn is Gary, the FLX recruiter.

 

[John Glenn]

They probably pay by the flight hour, not the duty hour. So probably take that $51K and cut it in half. BTW a 15 hour duty day would be illegal, you only get 14 hour 135. That is unless that last hour is coming home part 91. However I do know where you can make about $51k flying twin Cessna's and be home almost every day. Be prepared to fly your but off though.

No, its def by the duty hour. MKC is a PITA to fill. Always has been. To make it more attractive the pay is bumped to $15./duty hr as opposed to $12./duty hr.

There are no twins in MKC only the 210. If you want twin time there are other bases that have the Baron. BNA @ CPS are the nearest. Transition time is likely 4 months but think closer to 6 months. We are constantly filling the 210 ranks due to turnover. You will be home everyday. Duty day for any 135 is 14 hours. We are no exception.

BTW, if you know of someone who might be interested you will qualify for a $300.00 referal fee after they have been here one month.

Thanks,
Gary
[email protected]

 

[rumpletumbler]

I checked the website and it shows

Pilots are required to have the Part 135 IFR PIC minimums per 135.243(c)

Any chance of VFR 500TT becoming a reality again anytime soon?

 

[RedGuy]

Where is this twin cessna job?

PM me if your interested. I don't know if they're looking for anybody at this current moment, but they pretty much always keep their eyes open.

BTW They generally don't hire anybody directly into the Twin Cessna's unless they've already been flying twins 135 single pilot somewhere before. The last guy we hired came from Central Air flying commanders.


rumpletumbler, you need to look into getting a job as a co-pilot, there just aren't many VFR 135 jobs out there.

 

[loanranger]

twin cessna position

The twin cessna job is out of what airport?
What other equipment do they fly?

 

[rumpletumbler]

You might want to look at the job in the original post.

It looks like a great place to work to me and I've never seen as much information available for one to learn about any company available pre-employment. There is a wealth of information on this page.

Chief Pilots web page

This pdf is a few years old but is representative of the single engine fleet at that time.

This pdf does the same for the multi-engine fleet.

This Document Archive linked on the main page has all kinds of good stuff and it's easy to print all these out and make a notebook.

 

[tathepilot]

I made more money at FLX than I am making now

 

[John Glenn]

I wish we could hire VFR but at this moment that window has closed. While I like giving a VFR pilot a chance to build time, it can be a double edge sword.

If you do find a 135 VFR position ask yourself these questions:

1) Do they have "Employee of the Month?" If NO they why the H3$% would I risk my life in IFR?

2) Is it legal for me to go IFR if I am VFR only?

3) Will I still get paid even if I can't go?

4) Am I PIC or do I do what a "Dispatcher In Charge" tells me to do? (Notice the difference in abbreviation.)

This is a great time for us all to advance our careers. Just don't put on fishnet stockings to do it.

 

[rumpletumbler]

If you do find a 135 VFR position ask yourself these questions:

1) Do they have "Employee of the Month?" If NO they why the H3$% would I risk my life in IFR?

I found this funny. I hope it was meant as a joke. If not please explain.

2) Is it legal for me to go IFR if I am VFR only?

On Part 91 flights it is.

3) Will I still get paid even if I can't go?

My best guess is HELL NO!

4) Am I PIC or do I do what a "Dispatcher In Charge" tells me to do? (Notice the difference in abbreviation.)

I'm not sure I understand this one. You're the PIC in the aircraft. Do you mean he's telling you when you'll go and when you won't? Are you saying someone who is a DIC will be in charge?

I'm sorry. I'm slow this morning I guess.

 

[John Glenn]

I can relate to being slow. Is it really only 8 between bottle and throttle?

Number 1
Yes, it was meant to be funny. However, I have found most new pilots are too eager to do what it takes no matter what. While the ethic is commendable, you have to be realistic about your equipment and ability and not risk anything.


Number 2
Always know the Regs

Number 3
Yes you should be getting paid EVEN IF you as a VFR or IFR pilot can not go due to circumstances beyond your control. Example, IFR wx for a VFR pilot, mx issues for both etc. A pilot should NEVER feel as if in order to get a paycheck they HAVE TO FLY. Truth is we are all under-paid so why make it worse by flying for anyone who will only pay IF you go. We pay regardless, in part because we do not want anyone to be falsely motivated to go when they should not go.

Number 4
We have all had experiences with Dispatch needing to get the job done. While I understand the importance of getting it done there are always LEGAL and SAFE issues that are PIC calls. No one else! So if if allow someone else to "talk you into it" or my favorite, "dispatch made me," then you have just handed over your PIC.

Just be careful. There will be other planes to fly and stories to tell.

 

[rumpletumbler]

Number 3
Yes you should be getting paid EVEN IF you as a VFR or IFR pilot can not go due to circumstances beyond your control. Example, IFR wx for a VFR pilot, mx issues for both etc. A pilot should NEVER feel as if in order to get a paycheck they HAVE TO FLY. Truth is we are all under-paid so why make it worse by flying for anyone who will only pay IF you go. We pay in part because we do not want anyone to be falsely motivated to go when they should not go.

Oh ok, on this one I was looking at it like if you were VFR only then a concession for working that way in a 135 environment might be to only get paid when you fly, however, since you were limited to VFR there wouldn't be pressure to go because you could only go VFR anyway.
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[John Glenn]

I think we all have had to make concessions. Personally, we should get paid for the job. Example: when do you pay a security guard? When they are making the rounds on foot or watching the monitors? I think they get paid for both. Be careful with concessions. You are a pilot and should be paid for it.

 

[rumpletumbler]

I think we all have had to make concessions. Personally, we should get paid for the job. Example: when do you pay a security guard? When they are making the rounds on foot or watching the monitors? I think they get paid for both. Be careful with concessions. You are a pilot and should be paid for it.

Good point. I was just guessing.

 

[John Glenn]

Keep an eye on climbto350. I post openings there every 2 weeks. You never know when VFR will be a possibility. Good luck and fly safe and often.