Great Lakes training contract

[Whiskey Tango]

I was wondering what happened with any former lakers who left before their contract was up.

I am more curious than anything.

 

[Flyingdutchman]

SJS ???

 

[SiuDude]

SJS ???

The diagnosis is right on, doc.

 

[AdSo81]

SJS ???

So you cant make the logical transition from a turbo prop into a jet with out it being considered "SJS" now?

 

[GINCHBLASTER]

Or maybe they left because they decided that they didn't like it there. I have an idea, lets piss on somebody for trying to make their life better. How dare they!

 

[viper548]

I was wondering what happened with any former lakers who left before their contract was up.

I am more curious than anything.

They all got pay raises

 

[Flyingdutchman]

Dudes -

I did the same thing. Chill down. Just giving him crap.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Thanks for all the helpfull responses!

Maybe I should be more specific. Did Great Lakes Aviation, Ltd. seek to collect on the training contract through any means and if so what was the end result.

I have been here long enough that the training contract does not apply to me anymore, like I said I am curious.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I was wondering what happened with any former lakers who left before their contract was up.

I am more curious than anything.

Wassamadda,
Didn't you do enough research on your employer prior to signing a "contract"?
You signed a contract promising to adhere to the terms of said contract. You leave before the terms are complete you, by definition are afflicted with SJS and are not worth the ink you signed on the bottom line with. Grow a pair and live up to your word, has GL not kept their end of the contract as agreed upon? In this bidness your word is all you have, worth anything talking about.
You gotta ask, you know the answer.
PBR

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I did adhere to the terms of the contract. But several people have left without completing their 15 months. All I am trying to find out is what happened. I agree that you should live up to your word and complete your end of the agreement. All I want is information and instead I get a bunch of BS.

 

[canadflyau]

In the past they waited until they had enough and then sued a large group of pilots that left before 15mos. However a precedent has already been set in the courts, so expect to pay back the prorated amount.

The only thing in your favor is the state of affairs at GLA they might not have the resources to come and get you before whatever statute of limitations times out.

http://www.greatlakesav.com//PDF/61550A.PDF
The Company’s financial statements included in this Quarterly Report on Form 10-Q have been prepared under the assumption that the Company will continue as a going concern. The financial statements do not include any adjustments that might result if the Company were forced to discontinue operations.​

 

[Cardinal]

Maybe I should be more specific. Did Great Lakes Aviation, Ltd. seek to collect on the training contract through any means and if so what was the end result.

It depends on the time period. 3 years ago they were letting people walk with a "we're very dissapointed." Those who left 2 years ago got sued. Right now? Who the heck knows. But they seem to be pinching pennies as of late, so I would plan on having come means of producing the 7500 if worse comes to worse.

 

[turbodriver]

fuk lakes and their bull$hit contract. They make it worse for the rest of us.

 

[808pilot]

turbodriver.....interesting......how exactly is lakes ruining everything? get a grip....sip your coffee in your crj and keep moaning about how much you should be getting paid....
funny thing i have noticed on this board....everyone knows how much the lakers make and yet you never see them on this site crying about their pay....they knew what they signed up for and continue to fly without whining to the world on this site...and lets not forget they are the only ones to have turned down a contract 100% and still got screwed on a deal and yet they keep flying and its paying off for some that are getting picked up....cracks me up when guys cry and moan about their flying gig....as pbrstreetgang has said "you knew what you signed up for...grow a pair" if you don't like the job then get out...if you're going to take the time to do a job, do it b/c you love it....
i'm done with my rant....
whiskey tango.....from what i have heard they haven't been going after anyone lately....i guess a little while ago a guy left and had a lawyer help him out of the contract and therefore turned the contract void to all the others....again whether thats true or not i don't know.....i have also heard that they are hiring through dec. so there is quite an in-n-out flow i guess.....maybe they have given up on getting the 7500......whatever

 

[BLing]

How long does it take to upgrade at Lakes?

 

[AdSo81]

fuk lakes and their bull$hit contract. They make it worse for the rest of us.

Right...So you tell me whos ruining it, someone flying a 19 seat airplane for 15.33 an hour, or someone flying a jet 3 or 4 times that size for just 4 dollars more an hour.

 

[crashpad]

Excellent point.
However, I heard if you breaka' the contract,
they busta' you balls!

 

[m4j2t]

fuk lakes and their bull$hit contract. They make it worse for the rest of us.

what a dum bass

the thread is about the training contract...dum bass

 

[tattoo13]

hey WT

AS for the correct info....as of today they are trying to collect on the training contracts...Now here is the deal...most of what they have collected is money from people who just paid them without a fight. I know of several people that have been fighting it and have not paid anything...yet.. One of the dudes had left over two years ago... Also the union took the training contract to be ruled upon in D.C. We are still waiting to hear what the result is as far as if it is valid or not...The reason for this is becuase in our contract it state that no pilot will pay for any training cost...I dont see this holding up in court but we should find out in the near future....so that is the deal...

 

[fam62c]

Do they still require this?

I'm not trying to start trouble here and I'm not putting GLA down but I'm just wondering if GLA still requires newhires to sign training agreements? If so, the obvious question is: why would anyone go to work there (or at any company with the same policy) and agree to it? It seems that there are plenty of regionals out there hiring pilots who don't require training agreements. Sometimes I think that, as pilots, we are our own worst enemies. We will do anything to get an airline job. If nobody would sign the agreement the company would have to eliminate it.

Having said all of that, I think that if you accept the job and sign the agreement you should honor it because it's the right thing to do. If you don't want to honor the contract don't take the job.

 

[gt1900]

Here is why people still go there. Because you can upgrade quick, get 2 types, and probably be a check airmen in just a couple of years. I don't care what anybody says about RJ's, you can easily get hired at a LCC or major with two types, or a 1900 type and a check airmen certificate, with just turboprop PIC! As a matter of fact, I do believe in about 30 years the #1 and #2 pilots at Fedex will both be ex-lakers (I"m almost possitive the #1 will be an ex laker, and I believe C.C. will be #2, or in the top 5). Im also all but positive that in 30 years the #1 Airtran pilot will be an ex-laker. People can get hired at Lakes extremely young, and move up extremely quick. Thus, getting to a major or LCC at a very young age! The low pay more than makes up for itself if you get on at a major or LCC 3 years earlier than your RJ buddy. People at Lakes know this, and that's why they go!! Plus, you will never fly with a better pilot group, or go to a better Halloween party than what a Laker can throw!!!!!

 

[dingo222]

GReat LAkes

Does GL have bases other than Denver? Whats the policy on commuting, or would even be possible? I dont know how their scheduling works, so I'm asking. Thanks

 

[TWheat61]

I left last june, the company has yet to come after me. However I was furloughed, but still legally bound to the contract.

T

 

[E170Guppykiller]

Here is why people still go there. Because you can upgrade quick, get 2 types, and probably be a check airmen in just a couple of years. I don't care what anybody says about RJ's, you can easily get hired at a LCC or major with two types, or a 1900 type and a check airmen certificate, with just turboprop PIC! As a matter of fact, I do believe in about 30 years the #1 and #2 pilots at Fedex will both be ex-lakers (I"m almost possitive the #1 will be an ex laker, and I believe C.C. will be #2, or in the top 5). Im also all but positive that in 30 years the #1 Airtran pilot will be an ex-laker. People can get hired at Lakes extremely young, and move up extremely quick. Thus, getting to a major or LCC at a very young age! The low pay more than makes up for itself if you get on at a major or LCC 3 years earlier than your RJ buddy. People at Lakes know this, and that's why they go!! Plus, you will never fly with a better pilot group, or go to a better Halloween party than what a Laker can throw!!!!!

Those two at FedEx are by far the exception. The fact remains that your chance of getting on with a major is greatly enhanced by flying an RJ. And the bigger the RJ the better. So those of us with 170 (soon to be 190) time will be at the majors sooner than those with just ERJ or CRJ time.

 

[Flyingdutchman]

No you won't douchebag.

 

[tattoo13]

E170.......Do your research before you make yourself look even more stupid...Maybe check to see exactly how many lakers or other 1900 drivers have made it to a good company in the last year....you would be surpirsed...

 

[SiuDude]

E170.......Do your research before you make yourself look even more stupid...Maybe check to see exactly how many lakers or other 1900 drivers have made it to a good company in the last year....you would be surpirsed...

Why is everybody responding to him/her/it?

 

[dingo222]

Gl

Dear Spicoli,


dream on homo. I'm sure you were selected by NASA to fly the 70 out of the one million other CFI's out there trying to get the same job. Just cause you are in a 170 doesn't make you the best by far.

You are the douche that thinks you are soooo cool, gets all the azz, and takes out loans for the new cars, houses, etc. So proud; soo sure. Homecoming king type. That 170 is your ticket to the golden life that all of us owe you. hehe.

Guess what high speed? Just cause you kept the seat warm in a 170, doesn't mean you can fly, much less reason, or learn, or do anything for shizzle!!!!!!! Pilots get hired by legacy carriers for a few common reasons: You can make solid descisions and are stable and can be trained. 170, C172, CE-550, BE-1900, EMB-120. It doesn't matter.

You are the same fag that walks into the lounge trying without hope to get laid wearing your "pilot outfit" and talking how badass you are.

I'm not the best, never will be. I spent 12 years serving with the best in the military in USASOC. Losers boast about exploits. True Pro's embellish them when they are old and dying. Get a clue. BE a pro. Quit boasting about what you might be; BE A PROFESIONAL and do your job and boast about how badazz you are when you retire and need a free beer.

You don't impress anyone with your 170 experience!!!!!!!!!!

 

[LegacyDriver]

Those two at FedEx are by far the exception. The fact remains that your chance of getting on with a major is greatly enhanced by flying an RJ. And the bigger the RJ the better. So those of us with 170 (soon to be 190) time will be at the majors sooner than those with just ERJ or CRJ time.

You are an idiot. Guys with 145 time have *THOUSANDS* of hours. You bitches in the 170/190 are going to be standing in line behind dudes with 6,000+ hours of 145-series time.

Get a grip ace!

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I am glad this thread turned into a "who's RJ is better" thread