Grade-A b**tch FA's at AA

[Flopgut]

1. It was paid ticket

2. I re-affirm that attitude towards paying customers is a poor way to represent the company

3. They were major b**tches

If there are two levels of service available, why don't you pony up some money for the higher service level? Or why don't you charter a jet? IMHO, first class on my airline is a darn fine product. And we do treat those customers better. They pay more.

The harshest critique we get in the airline business is from corporate guys riding around on tickets somebody else is paying for.

Fill out a comment card, will ya? At my airline [CAL] that card has to be answered by a VP if you're a Onepass member. We're really trying to clean house on our worst customer service FA offenders. (most are pretty good) But seems that it's more fun to whine on FI. Maybe you're more interested in going back to the days when customers were allowed to beat the crap out of airline employees? Frankly, that seems to be what customers miss the most these days. Sad.

What i'd like to see happen? (not that you've asked) I'd like to see airlines stop selling tickets to ALL fractional and corporate pilots. I'd like to see how cost effective those things are when you can't use an airline ticket to get the help moved around to fly it. It's not like the customers in the back of those things are going to stop traveling. I'd like to re-acquaint them with the airline.

 

[wrxpilot]

If there are two levels of service available, why don't you pony up some money for the higher service level? Or why don't you charter a jet? IMHO, first class on my airline is a darn fine product. And we do treat those customers better. They pay more.

You shouldn't have to buy a first class ticket to be treated with mutual respect. Just because I travel on coach DOES NOT mean I expect to be treated like crap. That is ridiculous.

The harshest critique we get in the airline business is from corporate guys riding around on tickets somebody else is paying for.

I highly doubt that. Most of us corporate guys understand that things happen, and we do know that most US airline employees are treated like crap. Honestly, I feel pretty bad for a lot of them and go out of my way to thank everybody on the way out (both cabin crew and pilots). More importantly, the number of us corp/frac pilots traveling on revenue tickets is nothing but a small fraction of the tickets sold. There's absolutely NO WAY we could be the ones doing most of the complaining. I'd say it's most likely the Orbitz crowd that is your biggest critic... They want champagne service for peanuts.

Fill out a comment card, will ya? At my airline [CAL] that card has to be answered by a VP if you're a Onepass member. We're really trying to clean house on our worst customer service FA offenders. (most are pretty good) But seems that it's more fun to whine on FI. Maybe you're more interested in going back to the days when customers were allowed to beat the crap out of airline employees? Frankly, that seems to be what customers miss the most these days. Sad.

Nobody here has suggested that have they?

What i'd like to see happen? (not that you've asked) I'd like to see airlines stop selling tickets to ALL fractional and corporate pilots. I'd like to see how cost effective those things are when you can't use an airline ticket to get the help moved around to fly it. It's not like the customers in the back of those things are going to stop traveling. I'd like to re-acquaint them with the airline.

Ah, yes that would certainly be a brilliant move. Stop selling tickets to some of your best paying customers - brilliant! When we travel, it's usually at the last minute and we pay whatever we gotta pay to be there. Trust me, your airline would MUCH rather have me than an Orbitz traveler.

Your bias is quite clear now... I bet I know where you stand on the subject of user fees as well.

 

[NEDude]

The airlines learned long ago that the exact opposite is true.

Which explains why the airlines are so "successful"...

 

[satpak77]

If there are two levels of service available, why don't you pony up some money for the higher service level? Or why don't you charter a jet? IMHO, first class on my airline is a darn fine product. And we do treat those customers better. They pay more.

The harshest critique we get in the airline business is from corporate guys riding around on tickets somebody else is paying for.

Fill out a comment card, will ya? At my airline [CAL] that card has to be answered by a VP if you're a Onepass member. We're really trying to clean house on our worst customer service FA offenders. (most are pretty good) But seems that it's more fun to whine on FI. Maybe you're more interested in going back to the days when customers were allowed to beat the crap out of airline employees? Frankly, that seems to be what customers miss the most these days. Sad.

What i'd like to see happen? (not that you've asked) I'd like to see airlines stop selling tickets to ALL fractional and corporate pilots. I'd like to see how cost effective those things are when you can't use an airline ticket to get the help moved around to fly it. It's not like the customers in the back of those things are going to stop traveling. I'd like to re-acquaint them with the airline.

another airline employee who doesn't "get it"

 

[NoJoy]

Just flew AA a few days ago, MD-80, DFW to MMMX. Superb, grade-A, b**tches as FA's on that flight.

WTF is wrong with your FA program. The pax are the reason the company is afloat, and the FA is the primary face of the company.

Were you in uniform? I find that sometimes when I am in uniform, the FAs think I am "jump seating" and treat me accordingly. They may not know that my ticket was paid for and sometimes costing over $500.00 one way. My first experience out of JFK on jetBlue was not the "blue berry merry" experience I was hoping for. I introduced myself to the first FA like I always do by saying hi and my first name. I did not get much of a responce back. I always let the FA know that I can help them out if they need someone, and thank them for the flight. Most of the time it is a good experience.
So far Southwest and Alaska are tops as far as customer service in the back.

 

[OPECJet]

Every time I've been in the back of an AA or Eagle flight it has been in uniform and always a satisfactory experience.

The FA's have ranged from indifferent to down right pleasant and accommodating. I've watched one who read the paper the entire way to DFW while sitting in an empty FC cabin, and more than one who told me "that's where you'll be sitting, sir" while pointing to a seat up front. All, including the first, were professional and cordial.

I would suggest one of three possible causes in your case. 1: Your flight crew had a bad day. 2: You're stirring the pot. 3: You were a ****************************** and got treated accordingly. Please note you don't actually have to BE one to be treated like one as body language (which could have stemmed from having a bad day yourself) can set off an attitude in people different from what they would normally present. A "pre-defense" mechanism if you will.

 

[Kalifornia]

Again...WHO CARES what the job "used" to be? Again, WHY do YOU care? Why do pilots INSIST on pointing that out all the freakin' time? What's your point? It doesn't matter what it USED to be...it's what it is NOW.

Sociologically speaking MOST early "careers" for women were intended to be "temporary" until they "found a man" and dropped out of the labor pool. Even women who were nurses, teachers, secretaries have transitioned their jobs into careers; so why not FA's, too? (There are some pretty heavy/old/out of shape/etc nurses, teachers, secretaries...and dare I say pilots!?!?!?) Move on...

It's not a problem that FA's are making a career out of it. The REAL problem is that people who have no reason to judge WHY a person CHOOSES to be an FA (for life) shoots off their uninformed traps.

Answer the question: WHY do you care that people make a career out of being an FA?

Next.

Ok, I get it; you're an FA and you're on the major defensive. A rapid succession of emotional posts; writing certain words in all capital letters is not helping your cause. The continued extra reality TV like drama is what leads to emotional highs and lows. Maybe you're the exception, and the string or replies is just online personality.

Why do pilots care? Because we see example after example, day in and day out of FAs that have around for ever that should not be in the direct customer service position of FA. The built up bad emotions create bad passenger service. If it makes you feel any better, it's the same story with gate agents. The Steve Slator incident is not surprising.

 

[B727FA]

K--Yes, I am an FA. I've been flying 17 years and have files filled with commendations. I've never been called on the carpet by mgt...seriously. I DO get defensive when I am (as a work group) demeaned and generally lumped in with the others--and told time and time again, "you were never supposed to do this job forever."

I am an exception. One capt the other day said to me, "You must be new, you're still nice." I asked him how long he'd been flying. "11 years," he said. I told him, not snarky, but, "I've got six years on you and I'm still not bitter."

It's not the pax alone who cause crews to be nasty...often it's the fact that we don't even get support from our pilots b/c, after all, we were never supposed to be here this long.

As for the all CAPS in some posts...I was using my phone and was having trouble formatting the text for emphasis...but I can see that would look over the top.

I'm truly not wanting this to be a pilot/FA thing. It's worth noting, however, that there are more than enough pilots who have no business being in the FD, too...or working pax flights. Believe it or not you guys/gals aren't above reproach...but as a group you have your share of doozies out there.

If you're so concerned, day in and day out as you say, then go to ProStan, take them aside and coach them, speak to the lead, finally, if that doesn't work, write 'em up! But, if it's truly, day in and day out...if it's really that bad, do something then and there; at work. Don't just stir the pot at FI.

I don't owe you an explanation as to why I've made it my career. Nor do you (or anyone else) have the right to judge it. I really wish we'd get to fly together; you'd see this old battle axe work my magic. You know, Al Haynes and Sully were "old salts" and it when it hit the fan, it mattered; the same can be (and has been) true for us. Something to consider. I hope you will.

In the mean time, keep the dirty side down, the houses smaller on t/o and don't forget to ding me at 10k.

 

[Flopgut]

another airline employee who doesn't "get it"

I've done a whole bunch of the same flying your doing right now. And a whole lot of airline flying. I promise you I "get it". Fill out the comment card or contact customer service. If you're the frequent flyer/mega customer you think you are, it will mean something. I don't know about AA, but it means a lot at my airline.

You know, more often than you might guess, there is something going on during that particuliar flight that creates a problem. I had a trip to MMMX a few years ago and we had a medical problem in the back. Front half of the airplane thought they were getting snubbed by the FAs..... Had no idea there was a stroke going on in the back.... Something I've noticed about you small cabin airplane guys, you don't think about what else might be going on with the 150 other customers. It's just not something you deal with and you don't realize how many customers there are.

 

[aa73]

just give it a rest already folks... i have many corporate pilot friends who all "get it" and don't bitch about free rides... and there is always that 1% who think their schit doesn't stink and feel they are entitled to something when their free ride is not up to their expectations.

satpak.. one word for you. waaaaaaa...